Coronavirus (COVID-19)

[vikingTON]

23 minutes ago, HibsFan said:

There's definitely a sliding doors history to be written on what happens if Boris Johnson dies in intensive care last April.

Would we have avoided this winter catastrophe? Half of all COVID deaths in Britain have come since November.

We were told by the court whisperers that his 'near death experience' changed him, but there's f**k all evidence to suggest it.

Or is it simply the case that neoliberalism/right wing populism is just completely incompatible with protecting the public?

I doubt it would have changed much at all, given that the clear elephant in the room causing the steady uptick in cases from the middle of August was actively encouraged by the Tory government, Keir Starmer, the SG and a huge chunk of the UK population alike. 

[Inanimate Carbon Rod]

Just now, Carnoustie Young Guvnor said:

Wow you're an idiot.

If you can’t see that shutting the country down until the end of the year (which is quite heavily what shes hinting towards with the New Zealand patter) despite having made no effort in the previous year, is a daft policy given the passage of time then that says more about you than me. 

You’re an absolute embarrassment, a joke figure, anyone who doesnt agree with you is subject to a volley of vociferous abuse then you go screaming when you get it back, i’m genuinely cringing for you. I feel sorry for you, even on the bloody internet you make up stories and lies just to feel like the big man, over the past week alone you’ve made an utter arse of yourself questioning a statistician on statistics and a parliamentary advisor on his qualifications, i mean seriously stop being a madman. 

[The Stig]

With the reported 92 deaths today, Scotland is easily at it's worst death rate for the whole of this pandemic but I don't see any of the anger directed towards the Scottish government as at Boris and the UK gov.

It all well and good voting for the SNP in the May elections if your stance is only on Independence , but serious questions need to be answered by them on there handling and decision making on the whole of this situation.

[Billy Jean King]

This is fairly strange, negative language around these types of people, considering you were one of them last year?

I went to visit my family in Turkey, I have openly admitted that and I did my two weeks quarantine on my return. Could have lived without going but I wasn't gagging to get it just so happened I could so I did. If allowed I would go again if not Cest la vie

[vikingTON]

Just now, Carnoustie Young Guvnor said:

Wow, never realised there was so many nutters in here.

Anyone baulking at a zero Covid strategy should be disenfranchsied.  Imagine wanting to stamp out a disease that kills thousands of people, what a crazy idea eh.

All football fans too, well if you ever want to go watch a game of football with thousands of other people in attendance, we're going to have to get to zero Covid before that can happen.

Do we need to have zero flu before going to a football match or leaving the country every year? A simple yes or no answer will suffice.

[Guest]

4 minutes ago, Carnoustie Young Guvnor said:

Eight thousand deaths in Scotland now. That is frightening.

Its true we've done better than England but f**k me that is bad. I wonder what the number would be if Sturgeon had closed the border in August like people were screaming at her to do.  That and quarantine at airports we could be in a lot better position.

The problem here (similar to last summer) is that the UK Gov will need to follow Scottish restrictions or the border between Scotland and England will need to be closed.

I'm an SNP member, I'm generally supportive, however I quite simply won't accept a situation where I can't go to say Poland but I can go to England and vice versa when the infection rates are much higher in England than Poland etc. This happened last year where we were allowing virus ridden hoardes to travel up from the South of England unchecked but had to have people in quarantine for countries with a fraction of the covid infections of England.

Politically I get it, but from a public Health perspective it just won't wash I'm afraid.

[Carnoustie Young Guvnor]

1 minute ago, Inanimate Carbon Rod said:

If you can’t see that shutting the country down until the end of the year (which is quite heavily what shes hinting towards with the New Zealand patter) despite having made no effort in the previous year, is a daft policy given the passage of time then that says more about you than me. 

You’re an absolute embarrassment, a joke figure, anyone who doesnt agree with you is subject to a volley of vociferous abuse then you go screaming when you get it back, i’m genuinely cringing for you. I feel sorry for you, even on the bloody internet you make up stories and lies just to feel like the big man, over the past week alone you’ve made an utter arse of yourself questioning a statistician on statistics and a parliamentary advisor on his qualifications, i mean seriously stop being a madman. 

Yeah you're an idiot. 

[No_Problemo]

1 minute ago, Inanimate Carbon Rod said:

If you can’t see that shutting the country down until the end of the year (which is quite heavily what shes hinting towards with the New Zealand patter) despite having made no effort in the previous year, is a daft policy given the passage of time then that says more about you than me. 

You’re an absolute embarrassment, a joke figure, anyone who doesnt agree with you is subject to a volley of vociferous abuse then you go screaming when you get it back, i’m genuinely cringing for you. I feel sorry for you, even on the bloody internet you make up stories and lies just to feel like the big man, over the past week alone you’ve made an utter arse of yourself questioning a statistician on statistics and a parliamentary advisor on his qualifications, i mean seriously stop being a madman. 

And not just that. Suggesting that things here won’t be normal either. Greater normality and this being over the course of the year. 

[FFCinthearea]

The alarming death rate must have some sort of link to the fact that we're an unhealthy country.   

[Carnoustie Young Guvnor]

1 minute ago, virginton said:

Do we need to have zero flu before going to a football match or leaving the country every year? A simple yes or no answer will suffice.

Its not the flu.

We had virtually eradicated it in August last year, this time we also have a vaccine. If we do things right now you can go watch Morton with thousands of other people at the start of next season. If we don't you may never be able to do that again, and Morton will probably  be out of business in a couple of years.

[D.A.F.C]

6 minutes ago, Carnoustie Young Guvnor said:

By less people dying and catching Covid. Is that too complicated for you to work out yourself?

Around 50 deaths per a million less than a vastly more populated country.

Aye we've played a blinder.

[Left Back]

6 minutes ago, Billy Jean King said:

Drawbridges being raised. Fortress Britain the Gammon fantasy coming to fruition (until they realise they ain't getting the fortnight in Tuscany)

Fish and chips on the front at Scraborough is what they want.  None of that foreign muck.

[HibsFan]

4 minutes ago, Carnoustie Young Guvnor said:

All football fans too, well if you ever want to go watch a game of football with thousands of other people in attendance, we're going to have to get to zero Covid before that can happen.

£50 charity bet that there will be a crowd of 2000+ in Scotland before "zero COVID" (ie. no COVID cases in the whole of Britain) is achieved?

[Billy Jean King]

I still maintain this South African variant is way more dangerous than we are being lead to believe. The massive shift to total isolation plus the AZ presidents comments about developing a vaccine specifically for that variant suggests to me it's way more dangerous.

[Todd_is_God]

10 minutes ago, MP_MFC said:

I'm all for us giving it a go as everything else we've tried so far has been a fucking massive failure.

If it means we can go to the pub, the fitba and act like human beings but can't f**k off to Paris for a weekend for a year then sign me up.

NS just said she hoped we would be able to have "greater domestic normality" at some point this year. 

That's a shockingly negative outlook. The vaccine works. Get the fucking finger out and get it into Scottish arms ASAP and at least get life back to normal here.

I genuinely don't think these people understand the impact these restrictions are having on people when they make seemingly flippant remarks such as that.

When the pressure on the NHS is way back down because the vaccine is doing its job, it's very unpalatable that our politicians feel that it will be ok to continue to put restrictions on who we can meet, and where.

If we go down this route that we cannot allow travel because there may be a new variant out there (which more than likely means nothing), at what point do we suddenly decide that this is no longer an issue?

Edited January 27, 2021 by Todd_is_God

[Inanimate Carbon Rod]

3 minutes ago, Carnoustie Young Guvnor said:

Yeah you're an idiot. 

Aye, aye its me that has the issue here Pep. 

[Carnoustie Young Guvnor]

3 minutes ago, The Stig said:

With the reported 92 deaths today, Scotland is easily at it's worst death rate for the whole of this pandemic but I don't see any of the anger directed towards the Scottish government as at Boris and the UK gov.

It all well and good voting for the SNP in the May elections if your stance is only on Independence , but serious questions need to be answered by them on there handling and decision making on the whole of this situation.

Its very simple. I check the numbers every day.  
An easy calculation to make. The population of England is almost exactly ten times Scotland. So to have the same death rate ours would have to be a tenth of theirs each day.

Yesterday we had was it 82. What's ten times 82?  820.  England had over 1500.  Nearly twice as bad.

[LongTimeLurker]

32 minutes ago, s_dog said:

Half the 100,000 deaths have happened since November. 

At the same time, the PM is saying "we truly did everything we could", and still people bleat "oh but most of them were old/had under-lying health conditions".

The failure to act in the summer is the biggest failing...

The new variant wasn't around in the summer, so the issues on the second wave in a UK context are more recent. Common sense measures that could keep R0 relatively low but with the economy functioning reasonably normally were a necessity because the economy can't simply be put into cold storage for months on end without creating issues that are every bit as serious elsewhere. What will probably get looked at very closely with the benefit of hindsight is BJ's decision making more recently in the context of imminent vaccine implementation when it was easier to justify a few weeks of stricter measures in certain inherently higher risk contexts to limit new infections as vulnerable groups received the vaccine.

The populism surrounding the idea of suppressing numbers temporarily with brief periods of harsher measures in October and November to improve the optics of a normal Christmas was always questionable from a public health standpoint as politicians were intentionally creating conditions that were ripe for a large spike in new cases in the second half of December should a more easily transmissible variant or strain emerge, and the policy of keeping schools open even after it became clear that a new variant was spreading rapidly in London amongst the younger age cohorts suggests that decisions were still being made primarily on political expediency.

[Carnoustie Young Guvnor]

5 minutes ago, WATTOO said:

The problem here (similar to last summer) is that the UK Gov will need to follow Scottish restrictions or the border between Scotland and England will need to be closed.

I'm an SNP member, I'm generally supportive, however I quite simply won't accept a situation where I can't go to say Poland but I can go to England and vice versa when the infection rates are much higher in England than Poland etc. This happened last year where we were allowing virus ridden hoardes to travel up from the South of England unchecked but had to have people in quarantine for countries with a fraction of the covid infections of England.

Politically I get it, but from a public Health perspective it just won't wash I'm afraid.

Who cares?  You don't govern the country, so what you will 'accept' is of zero importance.

[Honest_Man#1]

5 minutes ago, Billy Jean King said:

7 minutes ago, Honest_Man#1 said:

This is fairly strange, negative language around these types of people, considering you were one of them last year?

I went to visit my family in Turkey, I have openly admitted that and I did my two weeks quarantine on my return. Could have lived without going but I wasn't gagging to get it just so happened I could so I did. If allowed I would go again if not Cest la vie

Precisely, so why make those negative, sneering comments in your previous post referring to others who did the exact same as you did?