Inanimate Carbon Rod Posted January 27, 2021 Share Posted January 27, 2021 3 minutes ago, Carnoustie Young Guvnor said: That's beyond idiotic. Why does NZ not have to accept that and we do? Cause you want to go see your pals? Perhaps we should adopt a zero rabies strategy to help improve your posting. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djchapsticks Posted January 27, 2021 Share Posted January 27, 2021 1 minute ago, Billy Jean King said: 4 minutes ago, Carnoustie Young Guvnor said: Its just the way it is mate. How could go to a nightclub if there's only a small chance you could catch your death? How can you have sixty thousand people packed into a football stadium? Do you realise what a couple of cases of Covid could do in that environment? Within a few weeks one football game could cause a hundred thousand cases. Its not possible to go back to normal until it is eradicated completely. That's not to say some restrictions can't be lifted as cases fall, but for life to go back to normal, which is what everyone wants, it needs to be gone completely. It absolutely blows my mind that anyone could disagree with that, and is just classic cognitive dissonance. What shite 2 cases in a stadium full of vaccinated spectators would cause hee haw problems. Under your plan why bother vaccinating ? He's 100% full of shite. Every virus, every illness carries along with it 'acceptable risk'. This, in time will be no different. If I'm in a room with 500 other people and even 80% are fully vaccinated, there is absolutely no chance of anything spreading out of control. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carnoustie Young Guvnor Posted January 27, 2021 Share Posted January 27, 2021 11 minutes ago, Left Back said: Please provide a reputable source that stated we were close to eradicating it. How's about the British Medical Journal https://www.bmj.com/content/bmj/369/bmj.m2609.full.pdf 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshmallo Posted January 27, 2021 Share Posted January 27, 2021 33 minutes ago, Carnoustie Young Guvnor said: Wow, never realised there was so many nutters in here. Anyone baulking at a zero Covid strategy should be disenfranchsied. Imagine wanting to stamp out a disease that kills thousands of people, what a crazy idea eh. All football fans too, well if you ever want to go watch a game of football with thousands of other people in attendance, we're going to have to get to zero Covid before that can happen. Shut up you tart 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy Jean King Posted January 27, 2021 Share Posted January 27, 2021 Ah, I see we have full blown Helen Lovejoy flavoured Pep today.Small chance of your hole....minuscule chance of catching Covid and dying from it despite being vaccinated. Wonder how that will play out ? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carnoustie Young Guvnor Posted January 27, 2021 Share Posted January 27, 2021 11 minutes ago, Todd_is_God said: Pretty sure they had a case the other day. Community transmission too. Odd that, given "they don't have covid" Had you read my reply, rather than assume everyone is biting at your obvious trolling, you will also see that your reply makes no sense RE: restrictions. A case? Wow that's horrific. We're having thousands every day. They can track all the contacts of that single case and have them isolate and its nipped in the bud. They've had what three deaths in four months, we had a hundred today. I can't even get my head around this level of idiocy. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steven W Posted January 27, 2021 Share Posted January 27, 2021 Dr. Linda Bauld's big team found 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Todd_is_God Posted January 27, 2021 Share Posted January 27, 2021 8 minutes ago, Carnoustie Young Guvnor said: That's beyond idiotic. Why does NZ not have to accept that and we do? Cause you want to go see your pals? They are? JA said as much the other day. Vaccines, according to your queen, are the key to getting covid to an acceptable. manageable level like with flu. That's accepting it's not going away and they will have to live with it, m9 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carnoustie Young Guvnor Posted January 27, 2021 Share Posted January 27, 2021 7 minutes ago, Billy Jean King said: 10 minutes ago, Carnoustie Young Guvnor said: Its just the way it is mate. How could go to a nightclub if there's only a small chance you could catch your death? How can you have sixty thousand people packed into a football stadium? Do you realise what a couple of cases of Covid could do in that environment? Within a few weeks one football game could cause a hundred thousand cases. Its not possible to go back to normal until it is eradicated completely. That's not to say some restrictions can't be lifted as cases fall, but for life to go back to normal, which is what everyone wants, it needs to be gone completely. It absolutely blows my mind that anyone could disagree with that, and is just classic cognitive dissonance. What shite 2 cases in a stadium full of vaccinated spectators would cause hee haw problems. Under your plan why bother vaccinating ? Its going to be bare minimum October before everybody is vaccinated. One case of Covid in ten steps can lead to 59000 cases. With a death rate of one per thousand that's 59 deaths. In normal times about 150 thousand people go to watch professional football in Scotland every week. We can't have a situation where every round of fixtures causes 150 deaths. Its not acceptable. -3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djchapsticks Posted January 27, 2021 Share Posted January 27, 2021 2 minutes ago, Carnoustie Young Guvnor said: A case? Wow that's horrific. I don't think you quite understand what 'zero covid' means. I'll give you a hint - the answer is in the name... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carnoustie Young Guvnor Posted January 27, 2021 Share Posted January 27, 2021 10 minutes ago, Honest_Man#1 said: This will not be the case. If it’s even the case after about March time then I’ll just be ignoring it completely. Then you can go to jail. That's what other countries are doing and what we should do here. -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inanimate Carbon Rod Posted January 27, 2021 Share Posted January 27, 2021 2 minutes ago, djchapsticks said: He's 100% full of shite. Every virus, every illness carries along with it 'acceptable risk'. This, in time will be no different. If I'm in a room with 500 other people and even 80% are fully vaccinated, there is absolutely no chance of anything spreading out of control. Yep, there has to come a point, whereby the cost benefit analysis reaches a tipping point, mental health problems, build up of nhs and criminal justice service backlog, the increase in domestic abuse and violence, the destruction of hospitality and travel industry and many other factors has to be balanced very carefully. I absolutely agree that we are not at the stage where we can lift these restrictions, because the risk still outweighs the benefit of lifting. What we need to do is get on board with these existing and new travel restrictions but we need to know at what point we will lift these restrictions, what the threshold is for lifting. The government at Scottish and UK level has promised an adult conversation but failed to keep to this. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Aldo Posted January 27, 2021 Share Posted January 27, 2021 Its going to be bare minimum October before everybody is vaccinated. One case of Covid in ten steps can lead to 59000 cases. With a death rate of one per thousand that's 59 deaths. In normal times about 150 thousand people go to watch professional football in Scotland every week. We can't have a situation where every round of fixtures causes 150 deaths. Its not acceptable.Please stop. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Todd_is_God Posted January 27, 2021 Share Posted January 27, 2021 3 minutes ago, Carnoustie Young Guvnor said: A case? Wow that's horrific. We're having thousands every day. They can track all the contacts of that single case and have them isolate and its nipped in the bud. They've had what three deaths in four months, we had a hundred today. I can't even get my head around this level of idiocy. Do they have covid, or not? I'll help you out. If they have a case from community transmission, then they have it. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Honest_Man#1 Posted January 27, 2021 Share Posted January 27, 2021 1 minute ago, Carnoustie Young Guvnor said: Then you can go to jail. That's what other countries are doing and what we should do here. Jails are going to be bursting. The jail for driving home to see family, good one m8. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carnoustie Young Guvnor Posted January 27, 2021 Share Posted January 27, 2021 2 minutes ago, Todd_is_God said: They are? JA said as much the other day. Vaccines, according to your queen, are the key to getting covid to an acceptable. manageable level like with flu. That's accepting it's not going away and they will have to live with it, m9 In miniscule amounts, which requires us to get it to that level first. A single case in a population of 4.4 million is nothing. That's the level it needs to be at. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy Jean King Posted January 27, 2021 Share Posted January 27, 2021 A case? Wow that's horrific. We're having thousands every day. They can track all the contacts of that single case and have them isolate and its nipped in the bud. They've had what three deaths in four months, we had a hundred today. I can't even get my head around this level of idiocy.But why would we need a zero Covid fantasy to get to the numbers we had last summer when we opened back up WITHOUT a vaccine. Why would we be tracking and tracing when virtually no one will be getting seriously I'll once vaccinated. It will simply be another endemic illness the NHS will be able to cope with due to the mitigation of serious illness by the vaccine. What part of that do you not get ? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Todd_is_God Posted January 27, 2021 Share Posted January 27, 2021 15 minutes ago, Carnoustie Young Guvnor said: How could go to a nightclub if there's only a small chance you could catch your death? ^^^ Never been to The Moon 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carnoustie Young Guvnor Posted January 27, 2021 Share Posted January 27, 2021 2 minutes ago, Inanimate Carbon Rod said: Yep, there has to come a point, whereby the cost benefit analysis reaches a tipping point, mental health problems, build up of nhs and criminal justice service backlog, the increase in domestic abuse and violence, the destruction of hospitality and travel industry and many other factors has to be balanced very carefully. I absolutely agree that we are not at the stage where we can lift these restrictions, because the risk still outweighs the benefit of lifting. What we need to do is get on board with these existing and new travel restrictions but we need to know at what point we will lift these restrictions, what the threshold is for lifting. The government at Scottish and UK level has promised an adult conversation but failed to keep to this. No you don't need to know, nobody knows. You're making unrealistic demands because of cognitive dissonance. They will be lifted when its safe to do so, not before. This is why we let adults be in charge of stuff. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Todd_is_God Posted January 27, 2021 Share Posted January 27, 2021 1 minute ago, Carnoustie Young Guvnor said: In miniscule amounts, which requires us to get it to that level first. A single case in a population of 4.4 million is nothing. That's the level it needs to be at. You're floundering my friend. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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