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45 minutes ago, G51 said:

Janssen have further delayed the EU's vaccine programme by shipping vaccine doses that the EU bought to the States instead.

Got to be honest, after all the EU's shite last week threatening to do exactly the same thing to other countries, it's hard to feel much sympathy.

More than anything else, this is precisely the problem when Countries/the EU or whatever act in this manner. Other countries get the jitters and things like this will happen, with the initial actions backfiring. It's a zero sum game. 

Janssen is a Belgian company but it is owned by J&J. The US will no doubt have applied pressure to get the vaccines out and meet their contractual requirements (not unique to the EU, those!) before the EU puts in a ban. 

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Just now, WATTOO said:

If we were to return to something like "normal", then Yes, I'd totally agree, however the added problems / costs of testing, quarantining, Etias etc all adds up to defeat the business model of the cheap weekend to Eastern Europe.

In a normal year, I'd probably go between 7 - 10 breaks per year but these would be mostly 3 to 5 days and include inter country / cross country travel, however in the "new norm" I just couldn't even contemplate this with the added hassle and costs involved and I'd most likely need to look at 2x14 nts breaks.

Over and above this, the Brexit situation further complicates matters with travelling around Europe.

Being honest, I'm finding it all rather bloody depressing !!

Testing and quarantining won't last beyond this year to any Euro destinations and most of the developed world.  Maybe prove you're vaccinated and a new quick test pre-boarding and jobs a good un.    The Brexit madness won't interrupt travel apart from potentially longer queues at passport control.

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1 minute ago, WATTOO said:

If we were to return to something like "normal", then Yes, I'd totally agree, however the added problems / costs of testing, quarantining, Etias etc all adds up to defeat the business model of the cheap weekend to Eastern Europe.

We're not going to be testing and quarantining indefinitely. That's nonsense talk.

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2 minutes ago, Dons_1988 said:

Captain Tom seemed like a nice man. But the faux grief we're about to endure from the media will be fucking dreadful.

That's a week added to lockdown as a tribute. 

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3 minutes ago, Todd_is_God said:

We're not going to be testing and quarantining indefinitely. That's nonsense talk.

Yes, and if you look back to the start of this thread in January 2020, who would have thought that we'd be looking at "no foreign travel" in 2021 and that you couldn't even go for a pint for most of the bloody year ??

And who would have thought that an old bloke wandering aboot his garden holding a zimmer frame would become the "toast of the nation" ??

Strange times indeed.

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