Burnieman Posted February 4, 2021 Share Posted February 4, 2021 6 minutes ago, Billy Jean King said: I wonder how much Sturgeon will continue to drag her feet, though. I think Sunaks comments today are aimed at Westminster who appear to be following the exact same ultra cautious line. I think we can also take from that, that come come 1st May it will be "you'll have had your furlough" 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICTChris Posted February 4, 2021 Author Share Posted February 4, 2021 Just now, KnightswoodBear said: For sale?... We are in discussions with a collector in Ireland 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djchapsticks Posted February 4, 2021 Share Posted February 4, 2021 (edited) 2 minutes ago, KnightswoodBear said: For sale?... Only on his old area's Facebook group. Free half drank bottle of Tia Maria thrown in. Edited February 4, 2021 by djchapsticks 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
effeffsee_the2nd Posted February 4, 2021 Share Posted February 4, 2021 Whats the deal with good news today? Yesterday was good news on the BBC so Shirley we must be in for sook proper doom today? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zapp Brannigan Posted February 4, 2021 Share Posted February 4, 2021 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Hedgecutter said: To him the heroes are those in the ground over there, not him who got gunned down and spent months and months in a hospital in Southampton. I rewatched the Band of Brothers serial recently and during the interviews of the real soldiers, this is basically what they said that they're not heroes but the ones who gave the ultimate sacrifice are. Many of them were understandably not keen to talk about their experiences for many years until the book and then program came out Edited February 4, 2021 by Zapp Brannigan 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elixir Posted February 4, 2021 Share Posted February 4, 2021 14 minutes ago, Billy Jean King said: I wonder how much Sturgeon will continue to drag her feet, though. I think Sunaks comments today are aimed at Westminster who appear to be following the exact same ultra cautious line. True of course, but up here is another level. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elixir Posted February 4, 2021 Share Posted February 4, 2021 (edited) If comments and rhetoric like this from some so-called 'medical experts' and 'independent SAGE' don't chill you to the bone, then I think they should, and you should re-evaluate things. Edited February 4, 2021 by Elixir 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Moonster Posted February 4, 2021 Share Posted February 4, 2021 We needed managed isolations a year ago. They're fucking useless now. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MP_MFC Posted February 4, 2021 Share Posted February 4, 2021 We should DEFINITELY listen to Rishi fucking Sunak, an investment banker who had the great idea of eat out to help out which has been a confirmed link to the late summer spike in cases due to them opening up everything too early and let them do it another time as opposed to the scientists who are continuing to say take it slow while the vaccine roll outs ramps up and then we may avoid having to go backwards again.That's DEFINITELY what we should do. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madwullie Posted February 4, 2021 Share Posted February 4, 2021 24 minutes ago, Billy Jean King said: It won't matter a f**k if we decide to still measure the pandemic in new cases which for some bizarre reason seems to be the direction of travel. BBC this morning floating the notion that running nose and sneezing might get added to the symptoms prompting a test ffs. We will be testing (and hence finding) tens of thousands more 'cases' if that happens. Once we get well into this vaccination program surely new cases become irrelevant and it all becomes about illness serious enough to require hospitals ie strain on the NHS. Even Sunak is commenting on the clear shift of emphasis. Wtf - I thought it was pretty well established that those absolutely 100% weren't symptoms? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Aldo Posted February 4, 2021 Share Posted February 4, 2021 Just read the article which references Sunak's views on lockdown.While it pains me to agree with a Tory, Sunak seems like the least idiotic of the bunch and its somewhat reassuring for someone at his level to make the point that lockdown was all about protecting the NHS and should never have been about zero covid which seems to be the direction that some people want to go. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MP_MFC Posted February 4, 2021 Share Posted February 4, 2021 Problem is with still c30k folk in hospitals in mid winter they really can't ease up until they are confident the vaccine is stopping significant illness - and preliminary data from Israel suggests it does but they're obviously not doing it exactly our way- so if he gets his way and they open right up there is a real danger they go backwards again. Twice they've done it and ended up hammered, I honestly don't think they'll do it a third time. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergeant Wilson Posted February 4, 2021 Share Posted February 4, 2021 40 minutes ago, Inanimate Carbon Rod said: Im not going to lie, id rather holiday in Aleppo than visit the union jack club. My boss chose it, as at the time we got a nightly allowance, less spent on accommodation, left more for drink. Happier, simpler times. Now they put us in proper hotels and drink can't be included in expenses claims. Try explaining to a foreign hotel or bar worker that you want a pint, but put it through as soup, very frustrating. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dons_1988 Posted February 4, 2021 Share Posted February 4, 2021 10 minutes ago, MP_MFC said: We should DEFINITELY listen to Rishi fucking Sunak, an investment banker who had the great idea of eat out to help out which has been a confirmed link to the late summer spike in cases due to them opening up everything too early and let them do it another time as opposed to the scientists who are continuing to say take it slow while the vaccine roll outs ramps up and then we may avoid having to go backwards again. That's DEFINITELY what we should do. You don't have to hand him the reigns but there should be more and louder voices from his side of the argument bringing some balance to the discussion. The 'zero covid' argument is a nice one for epidemiologists etc but it's a fantasy when you look at the state of the economy. This country is going to be paying for this for several years. That's a lot of suffering to come, getting worse with every extension to lockdown imposed. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melanius Mullarkey Posted February 4, 2021 Share Posted February 4, 2021 1 hour ago, Hillonearth said: Someone I know in the army outed him as a bit of an old fraud over the summer...using the rank of retired captain in civilian life is a bit sketchy in itself, as lieutenant and captain are basically the baby officer ranks and you're not entitled to use them after you leave. It's not strictly illegal, but it's certainly frowned upon. Add in the fact he seems to have left as only an acting captain meaning that he would have reverted to his permanent rank (lieutenant) on leaving and thus it also very much looks like he was bullshitting about what rank he actually was for 70+ years... Despite the lip service hero worship they were forced to show to the public, from what I was told the actual army of today pretty much had the measure of him - he was described to me as a bit of an old walt...had to ask what that meant, and it's apparently an army term for ex-services pub bore types who exaggerate what they got up to and how important they were...the ex-army cook who claims to have been in the SAS type of thing...it's apparently short for Walter Mitty. I’ll take that. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
super_carson Posted February 4, 2021 Share Posted February 4, 2021 (edited) I find myself agreeing with a Tory Chancellor of the Exchequer... In all seriousness, it's not so much about saying he's 100% right but it's about now listening to a wider-pool of experts. Lockdowns have a positive effect on virus rates, but a negative effect on just about everything else. We need to be listening to all the experts to plot a sustainable way forward. No one, not even Sunak, is suggesting we lift all the restrictions tomorrow but there has to be a rational discussion that will involve compromises and the "grown up discussion" that we, in Scotland, were promised. Edited February 4, 2021 by super_carson 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael W Posted February 4, 2021 Share Posted February 4, 2021 (edited) Sunak is certainly right about the shifting goalposts. There has been some amount of backsliding going on just about since the vaccines were approved. He's also right that this has to be the last time we lockdown. That said, the timing of exit is key. Numbers are going in the right direction so it's crucial we don't bugger it all up by exiting at the wrong moment . Let's focus on getting as many vaccines administered as we can and hopefully we can start getting restrictions rolled back once the vulnerable groups are vaccinated. If the vaccine rollout slips, we all suffer. That's where the immediate pressure needs to be and in the meantime get the roadmap ready. Edited February 4, 2021 by Michael W 10 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergeant Wilson Posted February 4, 2021 Share Posted February 4, 2021 45 minutes ago, Jacksgranda said: None of my relatives who served in the Second World War ever talked about their experiences (apart from my father who talked a little bit about guarding the Forth Bridge - that's what he spent the war doing - who saw colleagues killed on exercises). Not him, not my Uncle Jimmy (submariner), not my Uncle Dave (Desert Rat), not my Uncle Bob (Merchant Navy). Not the two fellas I knew who were at Dunkirk, other than to say they were at Dunkirk. Nor the 4 chaps I knew who were in Japanese/Italian PoW camps, other than to say they were prisoners. Different generation. Nowadays it would be all over Facebook and Twitter. As I've explained before. My Father lied about his age during the war. He told them he was 13 and got evacuated. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy Jean King Posted February 4, 2021 Share Posted February 4, 2021 I think we can also take from that, that come come 1st May it will be "you'll have had your furlough"In general although targeted support for entertainment and the holiday / flight sector will need to remain 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy Jean King Posted February 4, 2021 Share Posted February 4, 2021 Wtf - I thought it was pretty well established that those absolutely 100% weren't symptoms? So did I but some SAGE guy was on BBC saying they are considering widening the definition. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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