effeffsee_the2nd Posted February 8, 2021 Share Posted February 8, 2021 1 minute ago, gav-ffc said: Totally bizzare seeing Falkirk at the top of the cases, we’ve been generally low throughout the pandemic and even at once point we were level 3 while every adjoining area was level 4. Top of them league and yer no. at a guess i'd say we would be above average for jobs that can't be done from home or furloughed, manufacturing, oil, chemicals , warehousing etc . but that's been the case all along so why the surge now? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GiGi Posted February 8, 2021 Share Posted February 8, 2021 (edited) Would P&Bers accept Falkirk dropping down a sinkhole if it meant getting the pubs open quicker? Edited February 8, 2021 by GiGi 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Todd_is_God Posted February 8, 2021 Share Posted February 8, 2021 7 minutes ago, Am Featha *****h Nan Clach said: 'The mainstream media just want to provoke fear! Why do they never carry positive stories?!?!' I'm not sure that's a terrific example of a positive headline... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob1885 Posted February 8, 2021 Share Posted February 8, 2021 Would P&Bers accept Falkirk dropping down a sinkhole if it meant getting the pubs open quicker?100%. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gav-ffc Posted February 8, 2021 Share Posted February 8, 2021 (edited) 6 minutes ago, effeffsee_the2nd said: at a guess i'd say we would be above average for jobs that can't be done from home or furloughed, manufacturing, oil, chemicals , warehousing etc . but that's been the case all along so why the surge now? Been mentioned before but outbreak at first bus depot probably has an effect if 8-10 drivers had it they would have taken it home to relatives plus targeted testing done in Grangemouth at the same time. Edited February 8, 2021 by gav-ffc 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
effeffsee_the2nd Posted February 8, 2021 Share Posted February 8, 2021 3 minutes ago, djchapsticks said: I think it's to do with the majority of the people proposing these restrictions having probably worked most of their entire lives in isolation, heads stuck under a laminar flow cabinet or in front of a desk and are so attuned to isolation being normal that they don't care/understand that the world doesn't work that way. I know from working with them for several years that a great number of scientists are very much single-minded and lacking in empathy or even willingness to feign understanding of the impact that they have on others and it seems that the more qualified the scientist, the worse it becomes. We have an ongoing situation in my workplace where labs and scientists continually raise orders to us but put a different company name in the Purchase Order. When you give them a call or send them an email to explain that they cannot raise an order to a different company name and they'll need to fix it, instead of just doubling back and fixing their own error (because that's double the paperwork), about 7 times out of 10, they'll try and wrangle a way around it, going so far as to try and tell our folk in order processing that it's OK, finance will have no issues approving the order made out to a different company when this simply isn't the case. That's why more and more departments in colleges and Unis now have dedicated buyers who can actually converse with people. Three of the biggest colleges I work with are UCL, Imperial and King's College so it's honestly of no real surprise that there are scientists in these places who are taking the stance they are. Some of the least personable and non-empathetic people you could ever deal with. i'll second that, completely anecdotal of course!, many years ago a very very skilled doctor/ surgeon saved my sisters life against some pretty terrible odds, yet his communication and interpersonal; skills were worse than that of a moody 10 year old 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elixir Posted February 8, 2021 Share Posted February 8, 2021 8 minutes ago, Am Featha *****h Nan Clach said: 'The mainstream media just want to provoke fear! Why do they never carry positive stories?!?!' Is that the same media you cultists freak about due to their (admittedly) anti-independence peddling? Yes, the media haven't fed on fear at all throughout this crisis! Sit down. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheScarf Posted February 8, 2021 Share Posted February 8, 2021 5 minutes ago, GiGi said: Would P&Bers accept Falkirk dropping down a sinkhole if it meant getting the pubs open quicker? For sure. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boghead ranter Posted February 8, 2021 Share Posted February 8, 2021 1 hour ago, Burnieman said: Recruit people, train volunteers, ask retired staff to return, a combination of any or all of that. Do what they're doing to staff the new mass vaccination centres. Have GP's attempted that? is any of that impossible? Get junkies recruited, they know how to handle a hypodermic. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MuckleMoo Posted February 8, 2021 Share Posted February 8, 2021 Fife with the cigar oot, what a kingdom! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Moonster Posted February 8, 2021 Share Posted February 8, 2021 18 minutes ago, Am Featha *****h Nan Clach said: 'The mainstream media just want to provoke fear! Why do they never carry positive stories?!?!' Lol, that's your example of the BBC being positive? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
101 Posted February 8, 2021 Share Posted February 8, 2021 18 minutes ago, GiGi said: Would P&Bers accept Falkirk dropping down a sinkhole if it meant getting the pubs open quicker? Nicola Sturgeon must be considering letting grangemouth go up. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Am Featha Taigh Nan Clach Posted February 8, 2021 Share Posted February 8, 2021 2 minutes ago, Elixir said: Is that the same media you cultists freak about due to their (admittedly) anti-independence peddling? Yes, the media haven't fed on fear at all throughout this crisis! Sit down. I don't think I've ever mentioned the media's stance towards independence or anything else before. 100,000 + people in the U.K died with covid so of course many of the stories were/are negative. Every vaccine story has explained exactly what is known. The BBC one clearly explains that the limited tests suggest that the AstraZeneca vaccine still prevents severe illness, which is a good result. Your frequent temper tantrums make you seem like a spoiled brat. 'Mah girlfriend's family!' 'Two votes lost!' at things that haven't even happened. I'm sure the government(s) at Scottish, British and European level will take your views on board while making covid strategy decisions. Like a nodding supermarket manager letting a Karen with a remedial knowledge of the Sale of Goods Act rant herself out. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon EF Posted February 8, 2021 Share Posted February 8, 2021 (edited) 25 minutes ago, GiGi said: Would P&Bers accept Falkirk dropping down a sinkhole if it meant getting the pubs open quicker? Even if it doesn't, it's worth a try. Edited February 8, 2021 by Gordon EF 12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GiGi Posted February 8, 2021 Share Posted February 8, 2021 5 minutes ago, 101 said: Nicola Sturgeon must be considering letting grangemouth go up. Sturgeon must condemn the Falkirk and Grangemouth council area to be razed 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burnieman Posted February 8, 2021 Share Posted February 8, 2021 28 minutes ago, GiGi said: Would P&Bers accept Falkirk dropping down a sinkhole if it meant getting the pubs open quicker? Get to it. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie_B Posted February 8, 2021 Share Posted February 8, 2021 (edited) 38 minutes ago, effeffsee_the2nd said: i'll second that, completely anecdotal of course!, many years ago a very very skilled doctor/ surgeon saved my sisters life against some pretty terrible odds, yet his communication and interpersonal; skills were worse than that of a moody 10 year old The issue I think is that scientists very rarely speak in absolute black and white terms. Even if something is overwhelmingly likely they'll still say something like "X is likely to mean Y, but it could still mean Z." In the current circumstances, that means stuff like we "could" be stuck with no major events for "years". I mean we absolutely could - for all we know a variant turns up tomorrow that sweeps round the globe, evades all vaccines and kills twice as many people. Scientists will acknowledge that there are unforeseen possiblities - but then the reporting ends up being "Live events 'could' be banned for years" even if that's not what the experts were driving at or if it doesn't really reflect what they actually think. If the AZ vaccine does protect from serious illness/death and Pfizer/Moderna don't seem to lose much efficacy at all as a result then I'd like to think we're absolutely in good shape just now. Last week's weekly stats stated 60% of vaccinations up to that point had been done using Pfizer. We should have Moderna coming on supply in April from what I've seen. If we get to the end of this and it's even something like 40% Pfizer/Modern and the rest AZ, then you've go 40% of the population with very high protection against all variants, and 60% of the population with very high protection against the dominant strains in the UK just now and some level of protection from SA - and with that protection extending to them being highly unlikely to become seriously unwell. The AZ cohort would have the likelihood of a booster jag to follow down the line to offer further protection from that variant. If that all comes to pass then the rationale for restrictions would be out the window on the basis of what we currently know about the level of protection vaccines offer and the current COVID variants circulating in the UK. The best thing we can do beyond vaccinations just now is try to stop the SA variant taking a foothold. As far as the pace of progress goes, if we go forward over the next week at 50k a day Mon-Sat and then 30k again on Sunday we'll be at upwards of 1.2 million vaccines delivered. We could be knocking on the door of 2 million doses by the end of the month at that pace. That's phenomenal. There continues to be a lot of chat about having the JCVI groups done by the start of May but at this pace they could be through them in the first week or two of April. Obviously they won't want to over promise if supplies are variable, but the hope is there... The big thing is where we are with hospital/death/ICU/case rates at the end of February. If this is working we should start to see them fall off a cliff - particularly as far as hospital and death numbers go. Edited February 8, 2021 by Jamie_Beatson 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Moonster Posted February 8, 2021 Share Posted February 8, 2021 8 minutes ago, Am Featha *****h Nan Clach said: The BBC one clearly explains that the limited tests suggest that the AstraZeneca vaccine still prevents severe illness, which is a good result. Watch the BBC news tonight at 6pm and tell me how many times this is mentioned. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madwullie Posted February 8, 2021 Share Posted February 8, 2021 33 minutes ago, Todd_is_God said: I'm not sure that's a terrific example of a positive headline... I'd vote for him 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
budmiester1 Posted February 8, 2021 Share Posted February 8, 2021 36 minutes ago, GiGi said: Would P&Bers accept Falkirk dropping down a sinkhole if it meant getting the pubs open quicker? Is it worth doing anyway, pubs opening or not? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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