Burnieman Posted February 10, 2021 Share Posted February 10, 2021 4 minutes ago, G51 said: Then this is a government issue that needs to be resolved. It has nothing to do with the prioritisation of what to re-open first - if the government chooses to deliberately tank businesses, then that's their choice. They'll have to deal with the consequences. Nowhere did I say that I didn't care. Hang on, the choice is a place of worship or a non-essential business employing people who are currently furloughed. You think Govt should prioritise a place of worship ahead of a business, and therefore potentially people's jobs and livlihoods being seriously affected? That's the choice facing SG over the coming few weeks, and in a secular society it is completely unacceptable if they listen to Leitch and chose the former. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy Jean King Posted February 10, 2021 Share Posted February 10, 2021 Would that be known as "trolling" us ???Think that's the vernacular 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forest_Fifer Posted February 10, 2021 Share Posted February 10, 2021 Buddism, outdoor shrine is in Paisley. Just because they have outdoor shrines doesnt stop them from also praying indoors. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burnieman Posted February 10, 2021 Share Posted February 10, 2021 6 minutes ago, WATTOO said: The Furlough scheme is actually a bit of a red herring to an extent, basically there's millions now unemployed (and increasing rapidly by the day) who AREN'T furloughed, these people are being handed around £300 per month as opposed to up to £2,500 on the furlough scheme, there's virtually no jobs out there, there's also recruitment freezes on at many of the large employers and things are only going to get worse, with or without furlough. Nobody likes discussing these things as the current outlook is depressing enough, however, we ain't seen nothing yet !! Oh I know, because I could be in that situation in a few months. It's bleak. However some numpties want a church open first. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G51 Posted February 10, 2021 Share Posted February 10, 2021 Just now, Burnieman said: Hang on, the choice is a place of worship or a non-essential business employing people who are currently furloughed. You think Govt should prioritise a place of worship ahead of a business, and therefore potentially people's jobs and livlihoods being seriously affected? That's the choice facing SG over the coming few weeks, and in a secular society it is completely unacceptable if they listen to Leitch and chose the former. I think the Government should prioritise the place of worship and implement UBI/furlough to ensure that jobs are not lost. This would mean everyone wins, right? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy Jean King Posted February 10, 2021 Share Posted February 10, 2021 Whooooosh surelyJust because they have outdoor shrines doesnt stop them from also praying indoors. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forest_Fifer Posted February 10, 2021 Share Posted February 10, 2021 Hang on, the choice is a place of worship or a non-essential business employing people who are currently furloughed. You think Govt should prioritise a place of worship ahead of a business, and therefore potentially people's jobs and livlihoods being seriously affected? That's the choice facing SG over the coming few weeks, and in a secular society it is completely unacceptable if they listen to Leitch and chose the former. This. Places of worship can open when cinemas and theatres can open, and not before. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon EF Posted February 10, 2021 Share Posted February 10, 2021 Just now, G51 said: Laws can be discriminatory because of the effect they have, even if the rules are the same for everyone. In fact, I'd argue most discriminatory laws are so because of this. Appreciate that Christmas was mostly about seeing family etc, but again, this illustrates that lifting restrictions is about risk management and prioritisation. But you're effectively arguing that a law or rule is discriminatory unless it has exactly the same consequences for all groups. That's madness. Of course a law can be discriminatory in what it targets, with the rules still being the same for everyone. 'No mosques allowed' or '50000% tax on tampons' are clearly discriminatory in what they target, even though the rules are the same for everyone. 'All places where people gather en masse to be shut' isn't especially targeting any group even though, yes the actual effects of that will not be felt exactly equally across all groups and all individuals. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 10, 2021 Share Posted February 10, 2021 1 minute ago, Billy Jean King said: Whooooosh surely I think he missed the "Buddy" bit !! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burnieman Posted February 10, 2021 Share Posted February 10, 2021 1 minute ago, G51 said: I think the Government should prioritise the place of worship and implement UBI/furlough to ensure that jobs are not lost. This would mean everyone wins, right? You know the latter is not possible, the SG does not control furlough or UBI. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forest_Fifer Posted February 10, 2021 Share Posted February 10, 2021 Whooooosh surelyUm, what? I'm stating that there is nothing in buddhism that proscribes praying indoors.Edit - oh f**k it, done like a kipper, etc. Well played ya b*****d. I just thought that your spelling was pish... 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dons_1988 Posted February 10, 2021 Share Posted February 10, 2021 G51 is making some reasonable points but Leitch effectively putting religion a par with education for prioritisation is mental. Religion hasn't stopped during the pandemic, it's just adapted, like many other things. Forget non-essential businesses for a second. Social interaction with friends/loved ones should come well before religion. 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongTimeLurker Posted February 10, 2021 Share Posted February 10, 2021 35 minutes ago, Left Back said: ...Something doesn't have to be factual to be true. It does if you want to keep contact with rationality. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Distant Doonhamer Posted February 10, 2021 Share Posted February 10, 2021 (edited) 15 minutes ago, Gordon EF said: Nope. It's still not discriminatory, because the rules are still the same for everyone. It's a fair point about Christmas although the lifting of Christmas restrictions was unarguably far more about the 'secular' side of Christmas, rather than the religious side. It was lifted because people wanted to visit their families and have dinner, not because they wanted to go to a church service. Not sure that's always the case though I do get the point you are making. The courts have also ruled that the human rights protection from discrimination includes indirect discrimination. This occurs when a rule or policy, supposedly applying to everyone equally, actually works to the disadvantage of one or more groups. Edit to add. I'm not saying we should preferentially open places of worship. Edited February 10, 2021 by Distant Doonhamer 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G51 Posted February 10, 2021 Share Posted February 10, 2021 2 minutes ago, Burnieman said: You know the latter is not possible, the SG does not control furlough or UBI. The UK government does though. Which means this is still very possible. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Moonster Posted February 10, 2021 Share Posted February 10, 2021 2 minutes ago, Billy Jean King said: I suspect Jason reads this and drops nuggets like the religious reopening priority just to see the reaction ! He did mention it on his piece on TV last night but I didn't mention it in the post I made re his comments as I took that part to be wishful thinking on his part given his well documented strong religious beliefs. I try and avoid the news but I did catch this interview before I went to my bed last night. I've tried to give Leitch the benefit of the doubt for much of this shit, after all he is in his position for a reason, but I get the distinct impression from any interview I see with him that he absolutely fucking loves this. He cracks wee jokes and is all bubbly and smiley, whilst talking about one of the worst situations the country has ever faced. At least when Sturgeon comes out to speak she looks and sounds like she's dealing with a pandemic and has the foresight not to act like a giddy wee girl when she gets asked about what restrictions we'll face next. Leitch doesn't give the impression that he wants this to end. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burnieman Posted February 10, 2021 Share Posted February 10, 2021 5 minutes ago, G51 said: The UK government does though. Which means this is still very possible. We're not talking UK Govt bud, and they won't extend furlough or completely overhaul the social security system to get places of worship open in the next few weeks. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Moonster Posted February 10, 2021 Share Posted February 10, 2021 8 minutes ago, Forest_Fifer said: I just thought that your spelling was pish... Same 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted February 10, 2021 Share Posted February 10, 2021 Only a slight drop in inoculations on Tuesday from Monday’s record high despite the horrendous weather. Very encouraging. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy Jean King Posted February 10, 2021 Share Posted February 10, 2021 Um, what? I'm stating that there is nothing in buddhism that proscribes praying indoors.Edit - oh f**k it, done like a kipper, etc. Well played ya b*****d. I just thought that your spelling was pish...To be fair we do currently worship indoors via "live stream" or like tonight via the great god Sky. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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