G51 Posted February 22, 2021 Share Posted February 22, 2021 1 hour ago, NotThePars said: It’s alright I’m sure that stoking up the conspiratorial and seething element of French society won’t backfire and lead to Macron being scudded by Le Pen and inaugurating a fun new period in French and European history. Irony is Lexit becoming the default progressive position as the rising French right-wing usher in an even crueller iteration of the European Union. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
101 Posted February 22, 2021 Share Posted February 22, 2021 Just now, Todd_is_God said: I think @virginton's point overall is sound, but no matter how much we stamp our feet the SG simply aren't going to change tact and start easing anything before the end of March. However, their claim of taking a "data not dates" approach must work both ways. If, by the end of April (by which point all of the top 4 JCVI groups should have been double doses) the numbers of cases, hospital admissions and ICU admissions are absolutely tiny, then it would be completely unacceptable to say "not yet, too soon" to the question of whether or not it is time to bin a significant number of restrictions that still remain in place. There should be no place for any "but not before x date" clauses in a "data led" approach. Depends, so things like schools having no social distancing of even reducing it to 1m in senior schools I think should be ruled out until after the summer, it brings clarity and slows the spread among the least likely to be vaccinated i.e children and younger (U50's) adults. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PWL Posted February 22, 2021 Share Posted February 22, 2021 If we still have 1m JCVI group 6 to do then I think the end of March date before opening remains sound. 3 weeks at circa 50k a day gets us there with enough time to hunt out the cases that slip through before the Daily Record grabs them for a 'sad face' pic. Happy to sit out till then especially if this category includes those with learning difficulties etc. Beyond that complaints are fair game but a few more weeks won't hurt. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Left Back Posted February 22, 2021 Share Posted February 22, 2021 1 minute ago, 101 said: Depends, so things like schools having no social distancing of even reducing it to 1m in senior schools I think should be ruled out until after the summer, it brings clarity and slows the spread among the least likely to be vaccinated i.e children and younger (U50's) adults. Can space them as far apart for as long as you want as long as the pubs and stadiums are open. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PWL Posted February 22, 2021 Share Posted February 22, 2021 3 minutes ago, Elixir said: That data won't be good enough for wee Devi and her cronies. Or rather, it's too good and she's shitting it that her time in the spotlight might one day soon be at an end. A few of the 'Main players' on this thread will have similar fears. 9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
101 Posted February 22, 2021 Share Posted February 22, 2021 Just now, Left Back said: Can space them as far apart for as long as you want as long as the pubs and stadiums are open. No chance stadiums will be open beyond the 300 limit this season. SFA/ SPFL won't push for more relaxed approach as it will never be able to accommodate Celtic and Rangers fans from around Scotland and the isle of Ireland coming together. Imo it would be perfectly sensible to open all grounds to home and away fans in 40 of the 42 SPFL stadiums, but for some reason they won't do that. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Left Back Posted February 22, 2021 Share Posted February 22, 2021 2 minutes ago, 101 said: No chance stadiums will be open beyond the 300 limit this season. SFA/ SPFL won't push for more relaxed approach as it will never be able to accommodate Celtic and Rangers fans from around Scotland and the isle of Ireland coming together. Imo it would be perfectly sensible to open all grounds to home and away fans in 40 of the 42 SPFL stadiums, but for some reason they won't do that. by that same logic then surely no fans at the euros if people have to travel from around Scotland. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Aldo Posted February 22, 2021 Share Posted February 22, 2021 A few of the 'Main players' on this thread will have similar fears. Are they on TV spouting shite every other day? Which P&B member has a weekly appearance on Off The Ball? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
101 Posted February 22, 2021 Share Posted February 22, 2021 2 minutes ago, Left Back said: by that same logic then surely no fans at the euros if people have to travel from around Scotland. That's late June, the SPFL season is due to end mid May. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Todd_is_God Posted February 22, 2021 Share Posted February 22, 2021 7 minutes ago, 101 said: Depends, so things like schools having no social distancing of even reducing it to 1m in senior schools I think should be ruled out until after the summer, it brings clarity and slows the spread among the least likely to be vaccinated i.e children and younger (U50's) adults. I did say a "significant number" and not "all" tbf. If schools are to be open full time to all pupils, SD simply isn't possible. We saw that last time. There's no reason why, in the scenario I described, that you should not be able to go to a pub or restaurant, or visit other people's homes by 1st May, though, with a view to binning 1m distancing and seeing if there is any impact. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
101 Posted February 22, 2021 Share Posted February 22, 2021 Just now, Todd_is_God said: I did say a "significant number" and not "all" tbf. If schools are to be open full time to all pupils, SD simply isn't possible. We saw that last time. There's no reason why, in the scenario I described, that you should not be able to go to a pub or restaurant, or visit other people's homes by 1st May, though, with a view to binning 1m distancing and seeing if there is any impact. Yeh I agree maybe even bin it in lower areas and watch the effect, we need to see what happens once it's gone and it would make little sense to have a leap of faith or wait until you have 80% vaccinated adults. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
superbigal Posted February 22, 2021 Share Posted February 22, 2021 (edited) 22 hours ago, superbigal said: Daily Update: Not really a lot of movement today. Falkirk and their manky fat bus drivers finally get their day at the top of the table. There is clearly a big gap in the figures after East Renfrewshire. However Edinburgh & East Lothian are increasing at a rate of knots. Aberdeen now has only 61 infections from around 230,000 population, and cases per 100K is into the 20s. Probably more bus drivers in Falkirk with the virus. Inverclyde has nearly fallen off the charts. Pretty obvious to anyone below who should stay in the highest levels, and those who may get some concessions in the next few weeks. Scotland peaked at 301.9 for figures 29th Dec to 4th Jan, Cases that day were 16,496 and test rate was 11.9% Total cases latest 7 days are 5,661 to 5,676 down 24, and the positive test goes from 5.1% to 5.1% Cases per 100k drops from 104.3 to 103.9 England 131.1 to 128.5 in last 24 hours. Wales 86.4 to 85.5 in last 24 hours , Northern Ireland 112.6 to 111.3 in last 24 hours. UK Average is now 126.1 to 124.0 down 1.67% in last 24 hours. Council progress in last 24 hours as follows. Click cases by neighbourhood to see the spread on the geographical map. https://public.tableau.com/profile/phs.covid.19#!/vizhome/COVID-19DailyDashboard_15960160643010/Overview Falkirk 221.3 to 213.2 7.0% Positivity West Lothian 226..7 to 199.3 8.9% Positivity. Prison total dropping but Whitburn & Blackburn still high West Dunbartonshire 195.7 to 184.4 Clackmannanshire 201.8 to 182.4 East Ayrshire 207.4 to 176.2 Should now plummet down to about 8th place in next couple of days. North Lanarkshire 171.7 to 175.8 Renfrewshire 160.2 to 160.2 Stirling 153.9 to 147.5 Midlothian 109.2 to 136.3 Kicking off in Easthouses ? Glasgow City 130.5 to 135.2 North Ayrshire 122.5 to 127.7 South Lanarkshire 130.4 to 125.7 East Renfrewshire 120.4 to 120.4 LARGE GAP (But next 2 rising along with Midlothian) East Lothian 79.4 to 91.5 City Of Edinburgh 83.4 to 89.9 ANOTHER GAP East Dunbartonshire 72.7 to 74.6 Fife 70.9 to 72.5 Moray 71.0 to 71.0 Perth & Kinross 54.0 to 60.5 Western Isles 63.6 to 59.9 South Ayrshire 59.5 to 59.5 Highlands 51.7 to 56.8 Dumfries & Galloway 56.4 to 53.7 Angus 52.5 to 53.4 Dundee City 50.9 to 52.2 Inverclyde 55.3 to 50.1 Another great day for Scotland's most deprived council area. Scottish Borders 37.2 to 43.3 Argyll & Bute 44.3 to 32.6 Aberdeenshire 34.8 to 31.8 Aberdeen City 30.6 to 26.7 Unbelievable now 61 cases in total. Orkney Island 9.0 to 4.5 Shetland Islands 0.0 to 0.0 Edited February 22, 2021 by superbigal 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Todd_is_God Posted February 22, 2021 Share Posted February 22, 2021 (edited) 7 minutes ago, 101 said: Yeh I agree maybe even bin it in lower areas and watch the effect, we need to see what happens once it's gone and it would make little sense to have a leap of faith or wait until you have 80% vaccinated adults. Yeah it's a step that will need to be taken at some point. Though I don't expect this to be until a few weeks after every adult has been offered the first dose. Going to be a lot of headscratching and confused experts when nothing bad happens, mind, with some desperate claims about asymptomatic mutations in an attempt to stay relevant. Edited February 22, 2021 by Todd_is_God 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Burnieman Posted February 22, 2021 Share Posted February 22, 2021 So can we assume that "you'll have had your furlough" still stands, apart from maybe some targeted areas. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elixir Posted February 22, 2021 Share Posted February 22, 2021 3 minutes ago, Burnieman said: So can we assume that "you'll have had your furlough" still stands, apart from maybe some targeted areas. Hopefully, then the lockdown lovers will be forced to wake up to reality and get off their arses. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Todd_is_God Posted February 22, 2021 Share Posted February 22, 2021 (edited) 11 minutes ago, realmadrid said: So no foreign holidays until we've offered everyone the vaccine. That's pretty much what people on here have been suggesting might / should be the case. Maybe people should be able to travel before then if they have been vaccinated / quarantine on return. But they are going to wait a bit to see more real world results before making that decision i'd say. Edited February 22, 2021 by Todd_is_God 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Moonster Posted February 22, 2021 Share Posted February 22, 2021 7 minutes ago, Snafu said: Scottish vaccine roll-out working, data suggests Vaccination has been linked to a substantial reduction in the risk of Covid-19 admissions to Scotland’s hospitals, landmark research suggests. I do love these headlines. "Medicine works, eh!" 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
realmadrid Posted February 22, 2021 Share Posted February 22, 2021 3 minutes ago, Todd_is_God said: So no foreign holidays until we've offered everyone the vaccine. That's pretty much what people on here have been suggesting might / should be the case. I think some had hoped the UK /England would open up earlier and we would follow More from Simon Calder on the UK stay at home situation 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheScarf Posted February 22, 2021 Share Posted February 22, 2021 Breaking - Vaccine designed to vaccinate humans against virus appears to be doing just that. 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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