Coronavirus (COVID-19)

[The Moonster]

7 minutes ago, djchapsticks said:

Half the time I get the feeling you want some places to stay closed just because folk on here are pining to get it open and you want an excuse to call them crybabies. 

This is it, precisely. He's already admitted he takes joy in the suffering of others. 

[Detournement]

Restrictions will be 'lifted' when it's viable to roll out the Digital ID passport. Cases and hospitalisations have nothing to do with it now.

The Boris/Merkel/Macron press conference yesterday confirmed the WEF Great Reset plan is happening. 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/world/2021/mar/30/global-treaty-needed-to-protect-states-from-pandemics-say-world-leaders

[Honest_Man#1]

11 minutes ago, The Moonster said:

This is it, precisely. He's already admitted he takes joy in the suffering of others. 

I don’t know why anyone engages with him in good faith anymore. He’s made it blatantly clear numerous times in the past that he’s a complete weapon and this latest episode is no different.

[Ken Fitlike]

I spent ages thinking it was something to do with her that used to be on Soccer AM.

Helen Chamberlain and Tim Lovejoy begat Helen Lovejoy?.

[Todd_is_God]

10 minutes ago, Detournement said:

Restrictions will be 'lifted' when it's viable to roll out the Digital ID passport. Cases and hospitalisations have nothing to do with it now.

The Boris/Merkel/Macron press conference yesterday confirmed the WEF Great Reset plan is happening. 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/world/2021/mar/30/global-treaty-needed-to-protect-states-from-pandemics-say-world-leaders

Unless you have linked to the wrong article, absolutely nothing you've claimed there is even mentioned in the article?

[Burnieman]

What can you say......

https://news.sky.com/story/tougher-rules-for-face-masks-and-social-distancing-needed-as-lockdown-lifts-scientists-say-12261423?dcmp=snt-sf-twitter

[Todd_is_God]

4 minutes ago, Burnieman said:

What can you say......

https://news.sky.com/story/tougher-rules-for-face-masks-and-social-distancing-needed-as-lockdown-lifts-scientists-say-12261423?dcmp=snt-sf-twitter

This sentence alone should be enough to file everything else in the bin

Dr Suprunenko said: "More effective use of control measures like... hand washing would help us to stop the pandemic faster"

You can almost taste the desperation to cling onto the limelight from people who know once it's gone they will never get anywhere near it again.

Edited March 31, 2021 by Todd_is_God

[Detournement]

25 minutes ago, Todd_is_God said:

Unless you have linked to the wrong article, absolutely nothing you've claimed there is even mentioned in the article?

The 'co-operation' they are talking about is likely to be an international digital ID database and economic measures to kick-start economies which will favour corporations/hedge funds over states.

I hope I'm wrong about all of this but I don't see how it's possible to open back up normally and then implement ID restrictions later if the ID plan Tony Blair is pushing is going to happen.

Edited March 31, 2021 by Detournement

[Todd_is_God]

5 minutes ago, Detournement said:

The 'co-operation' they are talking about is likely to be an international digital ID database and economic measures to kick-start economies which will favour corporations/hedge funds over states.

I hope I'm wrong about all of this but I don't see how it's possible to open back up normally and then implement ID restrictions late if the ID plan Tony Blair is pushing is going to happen.

It's quite a stretch to say international sharing of health data equals that. A clear case of you having already decided what the outcome is, and using and extrapolating a tenuous link to confirm this belief.

Much more likely it will be a treaty to allow health data to be shared and vaccines to be distributed evenly in a pandemic to avoid some of the nonsense we have seen over the last few months happening again.

Are you right? I've no idea. But this shows nothing.

Cross border sharing of health data isn't necessarily a bad thing either btw - if you end up in hospital in England, they are unable to access your NHS Scotland records, which slows down the treatment process.

Edited March 31, 2021 by Todd_is_God

[Forest_Fifer]

Restrictions will be 'lifted' when it's viable to roll out the Digital ID passport. Cases and hospitalisations have nothing to do with it now.
The Boris/Merkel/Macron press conference yesterday confirmed the WEF Great Reset plan is happening. 
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/world/2021/mar/30/global-treaty-needed-to-protect-states-from-pandemics-say-world-leaders

You'll of course be able to specify where any of your nonsense was said in that report.
Roaster.

[vikingTON]

52 minutes ago, Henderson to deliver ..... said:

 

First they punt a dug up into space and now this. No doubt the plucky wee British effort will be along much later to take ill-deserved credit. 

[Detournement]

11 minutes ago, Todd_is_God said:

It's quite a stretch to say international sharing of health data equals that. A clear case of you having already decided what the outcome is, and using and extrapolating a tenuous link to confirm this belief.

Are you right? I've no idea. But this shows nothing.

Cross border sharing of health data isn't necessarily a bad thing either btw - if you end up in hospital in England, they are unable to access your NHS Scotland records, which slows down the treatment process.

We'll see. The EU Parliament voted to fast track their ID plan last week and Gove is reporting back on his intentions for a domestic vaccine passport soon and all the indicators are it's going to be implemented.

Getting that rolled out is dependent on restrictions still being in place. 

Edited March 31, 2021 by Detournement

[Detournement]

1 minute ago, Forest_Fifer said:

You'll of course be able to specify where any of your nonsense was said in that report.
Roaster.

It obviously doesn't say that but three major world leaders getting together to launch a new initiative suggests something big is happening and it's more likely to be the plan of the WEF (who are the political party of the super rich) rather than the lads on P&B who want to get back to normal.

 

[Marshmallo]

 

[DeeTillEhDeh]

As [mention=1852]Rugster[/mention] says I'm relatively certain it's still the law. Just seems odd to me that you can travel over 200 miles away from home and be "local" (extreme example) but in other LAs you can barely travel double digit distances. The sooner this is all over and we can get back to normal the better. 

Someone (Invergowrie Arab I think) described Dundee as a 10 by 5 mile prison.

[craigkillie]

I popped this in to a chart to give a rough idea where we will be at if the average rate of decrease over the last month continues forward.
I was slightly surprised to be honest to see hospital and ICU numbers were falling at almost exactly the same rate, as this is never really spoken about due to the absolute numbers being relatively small. 
As things stand, we will not be able to take part in adult contact sports, legally socialise indoors, or consume alcohol inside a hospitality establishment on the 16th of May, a date which we are on track to have 30 people in hospital, and 3 in ICU.
I find that unacceptable, tbh, and a relaxation that must be moved forward regardless of the election. 
It will be interesting to see what capacity is put on Hampden for the Euros in a week or two (and the justification for it not being a significant number (if not 100%)) after taking into consideration expected vaccination programme progress by the 14th of June, and being on track to have less than 10 people in hospital by kick-off.

None of this is intended to contradict the overall point of your post, but my entirely uneducated (but logical, I think) guess is that there will be a natural minimum to the hospitalisation and ICU numbers which is probably greater than zero. There will naturally still be a certain number of people in hospital even after the full vaccine rollout, mainly people who can't or won't get it and/or people who would be in hospital for some other reason if it wasn't for covid.

[Detournement]

3 minutes ago, Marshmallo said:

 

That's simply framing. The option of 2019 standards isn't available.

 

[Rugster]

7 minutes ago, Detournement said:

It obviously doesn't say that but three major world leaders getting together to launch a new initiative suggests something big is happening and it's more likely to be the plan of the WEF (who are the political party of the super rich) rather than the lads on P&B who want to get back to normal.

 

You must go through some amount of tinfoil. 

[Todd_is_God]

1 minute ago, craigkillie said:

None of this is intended to contradict the overall point of your post, but my entirely uneducated (but logical, I think) guess is that there will be a natural minimum to the hospitalisation and ICU numbers which is probably greater than zero. There will naturally still be a certain number of people in hospital even after the full vaccine rollout, mainly people who can't or won't get it and/or people who would be in hospital for some other reason if it wasn't for covid.

I dare say this is true. However last year the number in hospital dipped as low as 35 (on September 12th) , and the number in ICU as low as low as 1 on August 25th.

We know now that the hospital numbers were inflated over the summer and it's likely that 35 in September was not the lowest point.

Taking into consideration that we now have vaccines which are highly effective at reducing hospitalisations and even transmission itself, coupled with the natural immunity built up over a further 12 months of infections, I suspect that the baseline hospital and ICU numbers will be closer to 0 than last year over the summer and beyond.

It's also worth remembering that restrictions are not required until absolutely no-one is getting ill or dying. Once the vaccine rollout is complete, the small number of people who end up in hospital is not going to be justification for keeping restrictions in place any more so than the number of people in hospital for any other reason is.

[GiGi]

6 minutes ago, Detournement said:

That's simply framing. The option of 2019 standards isn't available.

 

Correct. You could lead that question in a number of ways, such as "Do you think you should require a vaccination passport to get a pint when at least 50% of the population (among these the most vulnerable) have already been vaccinated and the number of hospitalisations and deaths remains negligible?"