Coronavirus (COVID-19)

[Sergeant Wilson]

6 minutes ago, Forever_blueco said:

She is putting the country through a further economic battering over the next month for her own ego and politics . When that becomes clear surely it will be unforgivable in the eyes of many of the public 

 

It doesn't matter to a lot of voters whether it's forgivable or not. The fact there's no credible alternative will get her/them over the line with a reduced minority.

[craigkillie]

The uk govt are already doing this for anyone who requires to go into a nursing home 
Cost of care, £1k per week,  taken off the forced sale of your house after you pass away 
So why couldn't this same principle be applied to unvaccinated people who are now effectively holding the country to ransom

Because we don't live in a fascist state which punishes people for their medical choices, whether we agree with them or not.

[Michael W]

12 minutes ago, LongTimeLurker said:

Real world data was already readily from South Africa for what happens if you carry on as previously during an omicron wave and allow it to peak with no extra restrictions but for whatever reason they chose to ignore that and listen instead to attention seeking computer modelling types with a track record of pushing worst case scenarios on the basis of very flimsy reasoning. What has unfolded over the last few days is laughable.

Thing is, I do get the treating of the SA data with caution. Comparisons between countries can be very hard, even amongst countries that are roughly equivalent. Take France, for example - significantly more covid patients in hospital than the UK despite the UK carrying a much higher caseload over a period of months. Sometimes things don't match very well. 

However, what we seem to have done is this: 

1) Look at how quickly it spread in South Africa! Shit. That will happen here too. 

2) Hospitals aren't filing up like they did under the previous wave. Hmm, disregard that. 

In other words, we selected a couple of bits, coincidentally the bad bits, and ignored the rest. Even currently we are on week 3 of omicron and whilst there has been an overall rise in hospitalisations, it is not matching the growth in cases. 

I can also accept South Africa is not a good comparator for the UK. They have a lot of absolute poverty in the country (3rd world poverty, not developed world poverty) and a large number of the population (c17%) is immunocompromised as a result of HIV/AIDS. I am not sure how access to medical care is, but I would imagine it's not quite on par with European systems. Additionally, around 25% of their population is fully vaccinated, substantially lower than the UK. 

All of the above are negative comparators against the UK. If the hospitals in South Africa aren't filling up, you can be quite assured that the UK is unlikely to start seeing massive rises. Naturally the one downside we have against South Africa is that we have a much older population, who are more at risk. Even then, our vaccine coverage reduces the risk of hospitalisation/death substantially. 

It is extremely painful that we've just looked at the positives there and disregarded them  but have bought into all the bad without question.  

[Binos]

1 hour ago, Detournement said:

It will be 7 by the end of 2022 guaranteed. 

A 4th just now. An Omicron doubler in the summer to go on holiday then the new variant will pop up like clockwork in the winter.

And when next winters variant pops up we will again be locked down due to the folk not getting vaccinated 

Must be made legal requirement 

[Binos]

4 minutes ago, craigkillie said:

Because we don't live in a fascist state which punishes people for their medical choices, whether we agree with them or not.

Those people are punishing the entire population by their medical choices 

[Binos]

Fines were handed out to people earlier in the year for going for a walk in a different post code

Yet no action is taken against people who will not take a vaccine 

 

[Forever_blueco]

1 minute ago, Binos said:

Those people are punishing the entire population by their medical choices 

Are we not at about 90 percent vaccinated with the first dose ?

 

[Dons_1988]

1 minute ago, Binos said:

Those people are punishing the entire population by their medical choices 

This is a pretty fundamental pillar of our society. Legally enforced medical procedures is a very dangerous road. A road that we’ve already started heading down, mind. 

[Todd_is_God]

The answer to my earlier question is out. Around ¾ of the people in hospital with covid are receiving treatment for it.

Encouragingly, though, this number is dropping. Would I be right in saying this suggests that many of the new admissions over the last week fall into the with bracket?

[Todd_is_God]

6 minutes ago, Binos said:

And when next winters variant pops up we will again be locked down due to the folk not getting vaccinated 

Must be made legal requirement 

Makes no difference if we are going to again disrupt the health service's ability to function by preventing healthy staff from coming to work, then claiming we need restrictions to prevent the health service being overwhelmed because they don't have enough staff.

[Scary Bear]

24 minutes ago, Left Back said:

That seems incredibly naïve.  As you say there are a load of people who will support the SNP regardless of what they do.  They have control of Holyrood and 4.5 years left of that term.  It's hardly a crisis for the SNP.

She comes across as too egotistical to step down but also more importantly who on earth would replace her?

Swinney? No ta. That wee lassie who is now Finance Minister because the previous Finance Minister was a nonce? No ta. 

Labour? Tories? That’s it. Pick anyone you like. 

Only dangerous oddball types go into politics. Granny Danger was a councillor. Nuff said.

Edited December 23, 2021 by Scary Bear

[Forever_blueco]

1 minute ago, Dons_1988 said:

This is a pretty fundamental pillar of our society. Legally enforced medical procedures is a very dangerous road. A road that we’ve already started heading down, mind. 

Aye not something I can ever see myself getting behind 

without making it compulsory we are already the most vaccinated country in the planet . 

 

[Todd_is_God]

4 minutes ago, Forever_blueco said:

Are we not at about 90 percent vaccinated with the first dose ?

 

[G51]

A vaccine mandate would make absolutely no difference to vaccine uptake, and would be much more likely to entrench positions among people who could genuinely be persuaded to take the vaccine. 

Not to mention that it's also obviously fash.

[101]

3 minutes ago, Todd_is_God said:

 

The public health Scotland dashboard has it even further above that. 

Still around 1.5k first doses being done daily.

I still think vaccination to get on holiday will sweep up the last of the reticent, leaving a small core of anti vaxers.

[Eddie Hitler]

31 minutes ago, Forever_blueco said:

This has to be the end for sturgeon 

completely fucked it . Any other politician would be hounded but she does still have her weird cult like fan boys and girls 

Leaving aside what anyone thinks about their respective approaches, it's similar to Boris. You will just get loads of people saying that "he/she's doing his/her best!" and add to that "I am not going to blame her for wanting to be safe rather than sorry!".

Some folk may well still change their opinions on her, though. Just not that many because too many "admire her" rather than expecting her to do a good job re this or other policies. When you do admire someone, you will let them away with being rubbish.

[Michael W]

12 minutes ago, Binos said:

Those people are punishing the entire population by their medical choices 

They are primarily punishing themselves. Whilst you can still get it and all the rest of it whilst vaccinated, the chances of a severe infection are greatly reduced. 

We are dealing with a virus that, whether people like it or not, is now endemic. It's not going away and we are all going to be infected with it during our lifetime, almost certainly on numerous occasions. Immunity through vaccine and prior infection will continue to build. 

[Thorongil]

I wonder what today’s numbers will be and how they will be spun if still no sign of The Tsunami.

[Binos]

11 minutes ago, Forever_blueco said:

Are we not at about 90 percent vaccinated with the first dose ?

 

The vast majority of people in hospital are unvaccinated apparently 

[GeeJay]

22 minutes ago, Binos said:

The uk govt are already doing this for anyone who requires to go into a nursing home 

Cost of care, £1k per week,  taken off the forced sale of your house after you pass away 

So why couldn't this same principle be applied to unvaccinated people who are now effectively holding the country to ransom

While we're at it, let's fine everyone who didn't get their flu jab in the last 20 years. God knows how many deaths they caused by failing to quarantine, failing to wear a mask and going about their life as normal.