D.A.F.C Posted April 14, 2020 Share Posted April 14, 2020 4 minutes ago, Granny Danger said: There’s a large element of that, at the same time if the economy goes completely tits up I can take a guess at those who will suffer the most. I agree but that’s down to the nature of business and the economy that allowed people to be in debt so much. Its a bigger picture that needs looked at, the solution to being in debt appears to be buy more stuff and do more things and get in more debt. Who is benefiting from this? Certainly not the people in debt. Its also the economy that allowed banks to become richer and public services to become almost non existent. As soon as there’s a recovery all the heroes and people who deserve wage rises will be forgotten about. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suspect Device Posted April 14, 2020 Share Posted April 14, 2020 It's a hard choice but if the economy tanks then more people die. The government can't pay the wages indefinitely. Going back to work is not to keep the rich in their mansions, it's to put bread on the table. The difficulty is the timing and strategy. Can people outside London be allowed back to work earlier than the epicentre of the outbreak? Glad I'm not the one making the decisions because no matter what you do you will be wrong in someone's eyes. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotThePars Posted April 14, 2020 Share Posted April 14, 2020 3 minutes ago, ICTJohnboy said: I would have to say that was one of the gov/t's better press conferences. Richey Sunak not half as woolly and indecisive as the likes of Hancock and Raab. He did attempt to answer most of these questions and managed to avoid bringing the whole thing down to a complete and utter field of bullshit. Wouldn't be surprised if the chattering classes try and make Sunak the new Rory Stewart off the back of this and gush about him while he's implementing Austerity 2.0 for the next decade. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theroadlesstravelled Posted April 14, 2020 Share Posted April 14, 2020 33 minutes ago, MixuFixit said: Is this supposed to raise spirits Matt Baker, Sir Lenny Henry, Davina McCall, Peter Kay and Gary Barlow will be providing entertainment from their homes in the programme. I'd rather go outside and get coronavirus. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingjoey Posted April 14, 2020 Share Posted April 14, 2020 3 hours ago, Jacksgranda said: I was. @kingjoey would be, too. Not sure about @Raidernation anyway I think he was brought up in Sutherlandshire. There are quite a few supporters of other teams who would have been alive back then, just not necessarily living in Aberdeen. I was at primary school in Kincardine O’Neil at the time, and just remember not being allowed to go into Aberdeen for however long it was. I remember it as being exciting, but I was only wee. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICTJohnboy Posted April 14, 2020 Share Posted April 14, 2020 1 minute ago, NotThePars said: Wouldn't be surprised if the chattering classes try and make Sunak the new Rory Stewart off the back of this and gush about him while he's implementing Austerity 2.0 for the next decade. More like the next twenty years, but at least for them, that would be a step in the right direction. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotThePars Posted April 14, 2020 Share Posted April 14, 2020 Just now, ICTJohnboy said: More like the next twenty years, but at least for them, that would be a step in the right direction. I will be happy to slave away in the salt mines as long as dinner party guests in Zone Two have a serious and respectable Tory they can tell everyone that they actually like. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted April 14, 2020 Share Posted April 14, 2020 14 minutes ago, Suspect Device said: It's a hard choice but if the economy tanks then more people die. The government can't pay the wages indefinitely. Going back to work is not to keep the rich in their mansions, it's to put bread on the table. The difficulty is the timing and strategy. Can people outside London be allowed back to work earlier than the epicentre of the outbreak? Glad I'm not the one making the decisions because no matter what you do you will be wrong in someone's eyes. I agree it is to put bread on the table, keeping the rich in their mansions is, however, a by-product. I can’t help but think if the restrictions had been introduced earlier and were more restrictive then a phased relaxation may have been easier. -2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
superbigal Posted April 14, 2020 Share Posted April 14, 2020 heart specialist I know believes that everyone being at home , not working, not driving or in effect less stress is the main reason that admissions for heart attacks etc is hugely down. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted April 14, 2020 Share Posted April 14, 2020 23 minutes ago, D.A.F.C said: I agree but that’s down to the nature of business and the economy that allowed people to be in debt so much. Its a bigger picture that needs looked at, the solution to being in debt appears to be buy more stuff and do more things and get in more debt. Who is benefiting from this? Certainly not the people in debt. Its also the economy that allowed banks to become richer and public services to become almost non existent. As soon as there’s a recovery all the heroes and people who deserve wage rises will be forgotten about. That's always the way of it. Debt is the great solution for the wealthy and powerful as it means they don't need to pay the wages to people as the people themselves just borrow and pay back (sometimes) to attain things which they couldn't normally afford, meanwhile the rich are the ones actually lending the money and gaining again as they pull in the capital and interest. This keeps wages low and ensures the money slushes around the top. That's drip down economics for you. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted April 14, 2020 Share Posted April 14, 2020 1 minute ago, superbigal said: heart specialist I know believes that everyone being at home , not working, not driving or in effect less stress is the main reason that admissions for heart attacks etc is hugely down. Really? I’d imagine there must be lots of folk under more stress than normal. -2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alert Mongoose Posted April 14, 2020 Share Posted April 14, 2020 (edited) I wonder what the estimates are for dead bodies across the UK in houses where people live alone and have no family/friends? Can someone drive round the country tallying up milk bottles sitting outside houses? Edited April 14, 2020 by Alert Mongoose 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergeant Wilson Posted April 14, 2020 Share Posted April 14, 2020 32 minutes ago, Theroadlesstravelled said: Matt Baker, Sir Lenny Henry, Davina McCall, Peter Kay and Gary Barlow will be providing entertainment from their homes in the programme. I'd rather go outside and get coronavirus. I thought they were dead...shite! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted April 14, 2020 Share Posted April 14, 2020 Just now, Sergeant Wilson said: I thought they were dead...shite! They are dead shite. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D.A.F.C Posted April 14, 2020 Share Posted April 14, 2020 That's always the way of it. Debt is the great solution for the wealthy and powerful as it means they don't need to pay the wages to people as the people themselves just borrow and pay back (sometimes) to attain things which they couldn't normally afford, meanwhile the rich are the ones actually lending the money and gaining again as they pull in the capital and interest. This keeps wages low and ensures the money slushes around the top. That's drip down economics for you.People need to break out of the loop by stopping buying shit they dont need or cant afford. I'm as guilty as anyone not trying to say I dont. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted April 14, 2020 Share Posted April 14, 2020 32 minutes ago, Suspect Device said: It's a hard choice but if the economy tanks then more people die. The government can't pay the wages indefinitely. Going back to work is not to keep the rich in their mansions, it's to put bread on the table. The difficulty is the timing and strategy. Can people outside London be allowed back to work earlier than the epicentre of the outbreak? Glad I'm not the one making the decisions because no matter what you do you will be wrong in someone's eyes. The time that will hurt is when Tesco aren't getting supplies anymore. With most factories and farms just ticking over at most, the lockdown can't keep going forever. That's not including all the people getting zero money coming in because they fall between the emergency welfare provisions. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tutankhamen Posted April 14, 2020 Share Posted April 14, 2020 1 minute ago, Alert Mongoose said: I wonder what the estimates are for dead bodies across the UK in houses where people live alone and have no family/friends? Not that unusual in normal times. In this lockdown stand bye for this happening in numbers in coming weeks. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madwullie Posted April 14, 2020 Share Posted April 14, 2020 2 hours ago, Jacksgranda said: Not if they've no money they won't. If the government says it's safe to go to work, they're not going to be paying the 80% support/grant/loan thing and employers are hardly likely to pay you to stay at home if you're fit for work. True but going to work if you have to is different from firing up the pictures or down M&Ds on your days off. If it's not safe, people will stay in as much as they possibly can 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacksgranda Posted April 14, 2020 Share Posted April 14, 2020 1 hour ago, doulikefish said: Theres a story in that uber nat newspaer......the times https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/scotland/coronavirus-in-scotland-ppe-manufacturers-put-england-first-gqdcsxzb3 According to the wee bit I was able to read, this firm has a contract with NHS England, so it's hardly surprising if they prioritise England. Who do have NHS Scotland have a contract with? (Apologies if that is answered further on in the article)> 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacksgranda Posted April 14, 2020 Share Posted April 14, 2020 50 minutes ago, Theroadlesstravelled said: Matt Baker, Sir Lenny Henry, Davina McCall, Peter Kay and Gary Barlow will be providing entertainment from their homes in the programme. I'd rather go outside and get coronavirus. Try it and report back. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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