WhiteRoseKillie Posted May 5, 2020 Share Posted May 5, 2020 I believe 90%+ of them had underlying health conditions and of those who didn’t, the vast majority were over 70.Believe what you like - 100% of them are dead, which may well not have been the case had those responsible for policy acted differently.Still, Captain Tom, eh? [emoji111] 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inanimate Carbon Rod Posted May 5, 2020 Share Posted May 5, 2020 f**k knows. I think the damage to the aviation industry coupled with the potential for it to be until vaccines are ready before flying is widespread again, then add the requirement for people to have confidence in it again will result in inflated prices killing it. The airlines and holiday companies are either going to have to take huge risks, or find a way to stimulate the market again. Dont see it happening. Find it more likely that people get priced our for the coming 2 or 3 years and slip out of the habit of going abroad. Rightly or wrongly the USA is opening up over the next couple of months, quite a lot of the florida holidays for the second half of the year will probably go ahead. We were booked for next friday to go to Florida and waiting for our refund. We’re also booked for September, but have only paid the deposit so far, dont know if we should just take a hit and not bother paying the balance if virgin go bust. Next couple of months are crucial. Think some European destinations will open up to non british tourists this summer, which if it doesnt help hammer home just how badly we’ve handled this then nothing will. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donathan Posted May 5, 2020 Share Posted May 5, 2020 Just now, WhiteRoseKillie said: Believe what you like - 100% of them are dead, which may well not have been the case had those responsible for policy acted differently. Still, Captain Tom, eh? Had they "acted differently" we may have had fewer deaths but would have been locked down for longer which is worse for society as a whole. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greendot Posted May 5, 2020 Share Posted May 5, 2020 6 minutes ago, Donathan said: The pubs are closed, the football is off and there are no flights to go on holiday. Come again. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bairnardo Posted May 5, 2020 Share Posted May 5, 2020 Rightly or wrongly the USA is opening up over the next couple of months, quite a lot of the florida holidays for the second half of the year will probably go ahead. We were booked for next friday to go to Florida and waiting for our refund. We’re also booked for September, but have only paid the deposit so far, dont know if we should just take a hit and not bother paying the balance if virgin go bust. If America is still riddled though, would you go? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bendan Posted May 5, 2020 Share Posted May 5, 2020 5 minutes ago, Sergeant Wilson said: Agreed to a point, but without lockdown for all, all the numbers would be up. We chose one particular kind of lockdown. A different form may have seen 200% more deaths in under 45s (by keeping more things open) and 10% fewer in over 65s (e.g. banning them from going out, period). That would have meant fewer deaths. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theroadlesstravelled Posted May 5, 2020 Share Posted May 5, 2020 Belfast to London flight was 95% full. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael W Posted May 5, 2020 Share Posted May 5, 2020 3 minutes ago, Inanimate Carbon Rod said: Rightly or wrongly the USA is opening up over the next couple of months, quite a lot of the florida holidays for the second half of the year will probably go ahead. We were booked for next friday to go to Florida and waiting for our refund. We’re also booked for September, but have only paid the deposit so far, dont know if we should just take a hit and not bother paying the balance if virgin go bust. Next couple of months are crucial. Think some European destinations will open up to non british tourists this summer, which if it doesnt help hammer home just how badly we’ve handled this then nothing will. Virgin is shutting its base at Gatwick: Link Not sure when this is with effect from however. The US is also mulling extending the travel ban currently. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacksgranda Posted May 5, 2020 Share Posted May 5, 2020 1 hour ago, Todd_is_God said: 44 deaths in Scotland. The lowest total for the first day following a weekend or holiday Monday since March 31st, and the first time the figure announced on a Tuesday has been equal to or lower than the figure announced on a Saturday since the outbreak began That's a complicated read. I think it means "Good news". 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergeant Wilson Posted May 5, 2020 Share Posted May 5, 2020 1 minute ago, bendan said: We chose one particular kind of lockdown. A different form may have seen 200% more deaths in under 45s (by keeping more things open) and 10% fewer in over 65s (e.g. banning them from going out, period). That would have meant fewer deaths. We chose a lenient version and still have the highest death rate in Europe. There's plenty of bits and what ifs that would have produced different results. In Donathon's scenario with over 70s dubbed up, they all live while the virus tips through the younger population, as you describe. Resulting in fewer deaths overall, but a much higher proportion of younger people. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacksgranda Posted May 5, 2020 Share Posted May 5, 2020 1 hour ago, jagfox99 said: Murica Idiots 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteRoseKillie Posted May 5, 2020 Share Posted May 5, 2020 I certainly know a couple of workmates who are spending the money refunded from cancelled holidays on their gardens instead.My tickets for this summer's gigs have become fencing, plants and even a couple of gnomes.I'd have preferred seeing George Thorogood, tbh.[emoji444] 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donathan Posted May 5, 2020 Share Posted May 5, 2020 2 minutes ago, Sergeant Wilson said: We chose a lenient version and still have the highest death rate in Europe. There's plenty of bits and what ifs that would have produced different results. In Donathon's scenario with over 70s dubbed up, they all live while the virus tips through the younger population, as you describe. Resulting in fewer deaths overall, but a much higher proportion of younger people. Bullshit. The younger people wouldn't be dying. The virus is little more than a bad cold to healthy under 50's. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inanimate Carbon Rod Posted May 5, 2020 Share Posted May 5, 2020 If America is still riddled though, would you go?We’re waiting to see what sort of measures are put in place before the balance is due in late June, it doesnt look great over there. We both think we’ve had corona but regardless dont want to risk it if its still absolutely mental. Lots of talk of seasonal infections etc so have to assess it nearer the time. We stay in a villa mostly so can reduce risks if need be. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted May 5, 2020 Share Posted May 5, 2020 (edited) 35 minutes ago, Bairnardo said: Starting to buy into the early predictions that foreign holidays are fucked for a very very long time. Airlines have already begun to open up within Europe and countries like Spain, Portugal and Greece will do all they can to find a way of making it happen. Edited May 5, 2020 by welshbairn 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inanimate Carbon Rod Posted May 5, 2020 Share Posted May 5, 2020 Virgin is shutting its base at Gatwick: Link Not sure when this is with effect from however. The US is also mulling extending the travel ban currently. Yeh we usually travel from Glasgow or Manchester. Glasgow seems to be pretty profitable for their gla-mco route 3x a week, so would be surprised if they cut this one. Manchester they seem to use as a ‘Northern’ hub with routes to Vegas, Orlando, NYC, Boston and Los Angeles, so with that im pretty confident we’ll be ok for our holidays from Manchester still. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madwullie Posted May 5, 2020 Share Posted May 5, 2020 14 minutes ago, Donathan said: Had they "acted differently" we may have had fewer deaths but would have been locked down for longer which is worse for society as a whole. Except most other countries who acted differently and had fewer deaths are starting to open up now with a better chance of controlling the thing than we have 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon EF Posted May 5, 2020 Share Posted May 5, 2020 8 minutes ago, Sergeant Wilson said: We chose a lenient version and still have the highest death rate in Europe. There's plenty of bits and what ifs that would have produced different results. In Donathon's scenario with over 70s dubbed up, they all live while the virus tips through the younger population, as you describe. Resulting in fewer deaths overall, but a much higher proportion of younger people. We have the highest number of deaths. Pretty sure Belgium has the highest death rate. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savage Henry Posted May 5, 2020 Share Posted May 5, 2020 Airlines have already begun to open up within Europe and countries like Spain and Greece will do all they can to find a way of making it happen. If you can fly between Edinburgh and London, you can fly between Edinburgh and Paris. There may have to be an extra layer of screening on departure, and flying to the states will be more hassle than it’s worth, but it’s definitely not the end of foreign travel. The tourism sector would be destroyed. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donathan Posted May 5, 2020 Share Posted May 5, 2020 1 minute ago, madwullie said: Except most other countries who acted differently and had fewer deaths are starting to open up now with a better chance of controlling the thing than we have We could have just not bothered with a lockdown at all 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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