pandarilla Posted June 23, 2020 Share Posted June 23, 2020 The pace beginning to quicken with low numbers is a good thing. The biggest obstacle to progress now will be folk shrieking that we need to lock down and bring furlough back as soon as theres an inevitable rise in cases. Falling back to using tracing etc to squash smaller outbreaks is absolutely the right thing to do.I'm a socialist and I've been pushing the common weal plan for a different type of economy after all this.But i worry that another big obstacle is that a lot of people on the left think they have to oppose easing restrictions on political grounds. This is not a right v left issue imo.Some of the folk being damaged the most by extended restrictions are families at the bottom of society, and especially their kids. Those children need schools to be back ft, asap.Middle class folk's weans are doing much better. 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turkmenbashi Posted June 23, 2020 Share Posted June 23, 2020 5 minutes ago, SJP79 said: The centre for disease control in South korea are reporting it though. 17 new cases a day. Some second wave. Some people seem desperate for there to be a second wave in these countries that have loosened restrictions to justify to Scottish governments caution source: https://www.brusselstimes.com/all-news/belgium-all-news/118166/coronavirus-what-turns-an-outbreak-into-a-second-wave/ 11 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest SJP79 Posted June 23, 2020 Share Posted June 23, 2020 (edited) 10 minutes ago, Turkmenbashi said: 17 new cases a day. Some second wave. Some people seem desperate for there to be a second wave in these countries that have loosened restrictions to justify to Scottish governments caution source: https://www.brusselstimes.com/all-news/belgium-all-news/118166/coronavirus-what-turns-an-outbreak-into-a-second-wave/ 17 Yesterday and 46 so far today, 48 two days ago, did you forget what happened during the last 4 months ? Edited June 23, 2020 by SJP79 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordon EF Posted June 23, 2020 Share Posted June 23, 2020 1 minute ago, SJP79 said: 17 Yesterday and 46 so far today, did you forget what happened during the last 4 months ? Woah. By the end of the week we'll be at 6,600 infections per day because that's how that works. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest SJP79 Posted June 23, 2020 Share Posted June 23, 2020 2 minutes ago, Gordon EF said: Woah. By the end of the week we'll be at 6,600 infections per day because that's how that works. How does it work ? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Musketeer Gripweed Posted June 23, 2020 Share Posted June 23, 2020 2 minutes ago, SJP79 said: 17 Yesterday and 46 so far today, did you forget what happened during the last 4 months ? The whole world was a completely different place 4 months ago. As we have seen in Germany, if a spike occurs, it is clamped down on really quickly without the same widespread disruption we had back in the spring. Everyone is far more aware of the dangers and we are all taking far more precautions than we did at the start. I am fairly confident that, should a spike occur anywhere now, it will be stubbed out relatively quickly. 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bairnardo Posted June 23, 2020 Share Posted June 23, 2020 Dont you think that the South Koreans may have learned something, and maybe are capable of handling a rise in cases without it turned into a health service crippling, nationwide emergency? I personally am banking on even the least competent of governments (ours) handling a second wave considerably better than the first even without a lockdown based on the fact that the last 4 months actually happened. Been over this before but if you accept three truths, firstly that this virus wont go away without a vaccine, secondly that no vaccine can be assumed to be possible, and thirdly that our current measures are totally unsuitable anything other than preventing the meltdown of the NHS and are causing colossal damage to our entire society, then I dont really see how you can argue for anything other than removal of restrictions as quickly as possible. 17 Yesterday and 46 so far today, 48 two days ago, did you forget what happened during the last 4 months ? 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest SJP79 Posted June 23, 2020 Share Posted June 23, 2020 2 minutes ago, Musketeer Gripweed said: The whole world was a completely different place 4 months ago. As we have seen in Germany, if a spike occurs, it is clamped down on really quickly without the same widespread disruption we had back in the spring. Everyone is far more aware of the dangers and we are all taking far more precautions than we did at the start. I am fairly confident that, should a spike occur anywhere now, it will be stubbed out relatively quickly. I agree but the risk is in getting complacent, some want to get full crowds back at gigs and matches, the disease is still there. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest SJP79 Posted June 23, 2020 Share Posted June 23, 2020 2 minutes ago, Bairnardo said: Dont you think that the South Koreans may have learned something, and maybe are capable of handling a rise in cases without it turned into a health service crippling, nationwide emergency? I personally am banking on even the least competent of governments (ours) handling a second wave considerably better than the first even without a lockdown based on the fact that the last 4 months actually happened. Been over this before but if you accept three truths, firstly that this virus wont go away without a vaccine, secondly that no vaccine can be assumed to be possible, and thirdly that our current measures are totally unsuitable anything other than preventing the meltdown of the NHS and are causing colossal damage to our entire society, then I dont really see how you can argue for anything other than removal of restrictions as quickly as possible. Everyone should be better prepared and you'd expect the increases in cases to be no where as bad as the initial outbreak. But are you suggesting removing all restrictions or just some of them ? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madwullie Posted June 23, 2020 Share Posted June 23, 2020 Say there's 20 kids in a class, and one of them/the teacher tests positive. Does that mean everyone in that class has to self isolate? Everyone the kid has come into contact with? Staff and pupil absences are going to be sky high no matter what model they go with 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skyline Drifter Posted June 23, 2020 Share Posted June 23, 2020 33 minutes ago, pandarilla said: The last few weeks have been a shambles, and some poor c***s have been working their pan in on stuff that's just been ditched. As did all the people who pulled together the Nightingale hospitals in the first place but if they hadn't done it.............. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bairnardo Posted June 23, 2020 Share Posted June 23, 2020 Everyone should be better prepared and you'd expect the increases in cases to be no where as bad as the initial outbreak. But are you suggesting removing all restrictions or just some of them ?All of them in a timely manner, with the exception of maybe those told to shield retain maybe some measures for their protection, since unfair as it may be, COVID will fail to even annoy most people it infects let alone hospitalise them. What we should be left with is a population who instinctively wash hands more often, opt to sit further away from others where possible, avoid unnecessary contact with others as far as is practicable, wear masks where none of the above is possible, and comply with instruction from contact tracers/local requirements in the event of an outbreak. Should ALL of that fail, we have what is seemingly a very effective and cheap steroid to treat the worst cases, much more equipment, much more ppe, many more beds available aswell as a far more clued up and ready health service. Theres absolutely no way we shouldnt be driving towards normality with the only caveat being compliance in the event of localised requirements, given the reasons I mentioned above. None of the measures currently in place can run alongside a normal life, and giving up a normal life for me and my kids on an indefinite timescale is out of the question IMO. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeeTillEhDeh Posted June 23, 2020 Share Posted June 23, 2020 Can only speak for Edinburgh, but the plan for Primary schools would have been pupils in Mon-Thurs, and Fridays for online content as well as the usual planning/marking/prep time. Dundee's plan was Monday to Friday - staff working 100% of their time and pupils in 50% of the time - pupils would be given work as home learning. No time for doing online learning. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Musketeer Gripweed Posted June 23, 2020 Share Posted June 23, 2020 So, Green Day/Weezer tomorrow and Guns n' Roses on Thursday back on yet then? I remember back in February/March, those were the two things I was most worried about being cancelled. How fucking deluded was I? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy Jean King Posted June 23, 2020 Share Posted June 23, 2020 Just reflecting on that news today. Swinney took the nation by surprise with that one. The SG certainly do a far better job at keeping thing under wraps than their counterparts down south (That said, they clearly leak stories out down there in order to guage reaction before actually carrying them out). Which takes me on to tomorrow where it seems we'll be getting some more lockdown restrictions removed. Any guesses as to what that may be?We wont be getting anything lifted tomorrow, it's future indicative dates for some measures to be lifted she is providing, a heads up so to speak. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest SJP79 Posted June 23, 2020 Share Posted June 23, 2020 3 minutes ago, Bairnardo said: All of them in a timely manner, Is that not what the goverment is currently doing ? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeeTillEhDeh Posted June 23, 2020 Share Posted June 23, 2020 We wont be getting anything lifted tomorrow, it's future indicative dates for some measures to be lifted she is providing, a heads up so to speak.Shopping centres possibly? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bairnardo Posted June 23, 2020 Share Posted June 23, 2020 (edited) 3 minutes ago, SJP79 said: Is that not what the goverment is currently doing ? As of John Swinneys chat today...... Maybe/hopefully. Shambolic blended learning being planned into possibly October and beyond which was the case until a few hours ago... No. Absolutely not even close. Edited June 23, 2020 by Bairnardo 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thereisalight.. Posted June 23, 2020 Share Posted June 23, 2020 42 minutes ago, Steven W said: Just reflecting on that news today. Swinney took the nation by surprise with that one. The SG certainly do a far better job at keeping thing under wraps than their counterparts down south (That said, they clearly leak stories out down there in order to guage reaction before actually carrying them out). Which takes me on to tomorrow where it seems we'll be getting some more lockdown restrictions removed. Any guesses as to what that may be? Hopefully being able to travel more than 5 miles! I have a dietary requirement and the nearest town (Girvan) has about 2 things in its range. I’m desperate to get to Ayr for a “big shop” 20 minutes ago, SJP79 said: I agree but the risk is in getting complacent, some want to get full crowds back at gigs and matches, the disease is still there. Well let people take a risk. We don’t shut down the world when flu kills thousands of elderly each year (yes I know covid isn’t just a bad flu” 3 minutes ago, Musketeer Gripweed said: So, Green Day/Weezer tomorrow and Guns n' Roses on Thursday back on yet then? I remember back in February/March, those were the two things I was most worried about being cancelled. How fucking deluded was I? Two gigs I was going to as well at least Green Day have rescheduled for next year but I doubt GnR will 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thereisalight.. Posted June 23, 2020 Share Posted June 23, 2020 4 minutes ago, DeeTillEhDeh said: 6 minutes ago, Billy Jean King said: We wont be getting anything lifted tomorrow, it's future indicative dates for some measures to be lifted she is providing, a heads up so to speak. Shopping centres possibly? Maybe not Braehead if things are as grim as they say they are in regards to Intu 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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