Coronavirus (COVID-19)

[vikingTON]

8 minutes ago, Billy Jean King said:

And just to show stats can be misleading England has vaccinated 17% of all over 16yo that figure in Scotland is 22% so far more of the Scottish population has been done so far than England *source sky news article here https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-uk-vaccination-tracker-find-out-how-many-have-had-the-jab-12179220

^^^ clutching at straws

[Bairnardo]

15 minutes ago, madwullie said:

Youre raging about stuff that hasn't happened mate

Wot? Theres plenty of evidence already that restrictions will differ, and they are ahead of us. 

[Billy Jean King]

Possibly referring to the report in the Times today that was discussed on this thread this morning.

That was discussed just yesterday. Scotland seems to be getting large amounts of Pfizer which is extremely problematic for GP surgeries and vaccination centres away from the Mass sites opened in Glasgow, Edinburgh and Aberdeen as they simply cannot take it in any sort of quantity as they can't store it. Unfortunately we have no control over what vaccine we get in our allocation. Think we only have access to 30 of the -70 capable freezers required although not sure if more could be procured.

[Jim McLean's Ghost]

4 minutes ago, virginton said:

I've been reading those sort of claims for several weeks already as well.

The reality here is that a large section of posters on this thread are only interested in kicking the can down the road long enough until the SG eventually gets its act together and they can sweep all piss-poor performance under the carpet.

Are you against prioritising the vulnerable in exchange for getting the numbers up?

Because that is what the English are doing. They are behind getting the most vulnerable vaccinated so they can boast about BIG NUMBER despite having a daily mortality number that is well above almost most other countries.

[Elixir]

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Posted at 18:14

Israel's vaccine drive behind fall in infections

Rachel Schraer

BBC Health Reporter

ReutersCopyright: Reuters

As we mentioned earlier, Israel's coronavirus vaccination programme is showing signs of working to drive down infections and illness in the over-60s.

Israeli Ministry of Health (MoH) figures show 531 over-60s, out of almost 750,000 fully vaccinated, tested positive for coronavirus (0.07%).

And far fewer fell ill, with 38 becoming needing hospital treatment with moderate, severe or critical disease.

There were three deaths in vaccinated over-60s - although it is possible they contracted the infection earlier, before their immunity had time to build.

Before the vaccine had time to take effect, more than 7,000 infections were recorded, just under 700 cases of moderate to critical illness and 307 deaths.

The MoH data suggests infections and illnesses fell consistently from 14 days after receiving the first jab onwards.

You can read Rachel’s report here.

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[vikingTON]

2 minutes ago, Billy Jean King said:

11 minutes ago, Left Back said:

Possibly referring to the report in the Times today that was discussed on this thread this morning.

That was discussed just yesterday. Scotland seems to be getting large amounts of Pfizer which is extremely problematic for GP surgeries and vaccination centres away from the Mass sites opened in Glasgow, Edinburgh and Aberdeen as they simply cannot take it in any sort of quantity as they can't store it. Unfortunately we have no control over what vaccine we get in our allocation. Think we only have access to 30 of the -70 capable freezers required although not sure if more could be procured.

[Billy Jean King]

^^^ clutching at straws

What straw is that. Stats can be spun to suit whatever stance you want to take on this was my point ie Scotland is ahead of England on the sky news article but that ain't the measure that suits some on here.

The bottom line is I fully expect all 4 nations to get to their objectives pretty much at the same time as intended. Some of the stuff on here is approaching conspiracy theory levels of hysteria.

[Burnieman]

I've been reading those sort of claims for several weeks already as well.
The reality here is that a large section of posters on this thread are only interested in kicking the can down the road long enough until the SG eventually gets its act together and they can sweep all piss-poor performance under the carpet.

The actual reality is there's targets/goals that have been set, that is what the SG/WM will be judged against, not a shit Sunday performance.

You can't kick a target down the road when that target is public. We'll find out in a couple of weeks if their first target has been met.

[Billy Jean King]

Wot? Theres plenty of evidence already that restrictions will differ, and they are ahead of us. 

Such as ?

[Guest]

5 minutes ago, Billy Jean King said:

And just to show stats can be misleading England has vaccinated 17% of all over 16yo that figure in Scotland is 22% so far more of the Scottish population has been done so far than England *source sky news article here https://news.sky.com/story/covid-19-uk-vaccination-tracker-find-out-how-many-have-had-the-jab-12179220

Personally I'm sick of this "race" nonsense and daily questions of "they've done this but we've only done that" sort of pointless patter.

Basically we all know (or should know) that Scotland prioritised care homes and care home staff first, we should also know that the geography and spread of the population in Scotland is much different and much more challenging than England and we should also know that "mass vaccination centres" will obviously work much better in large populated areas such as major cities, so is it any real wonder that England have carried out proportionately more vaccinations than Scotland ? It's certainly not surprising to me.

Over and above this the actual supply situation could be easily understood and interpreted correctly if we were transparent about the vaccine figures but of course the UK government have prevented the Scottish Gov from publishing these figures, despite they themselves leaking "half a story" to their favoured press sources (and I'm sure we all know why).

Finally, if there are issues where the scottish Gov have screwed up, then by all means they should be held to account, however our press are just playing politics at the moment and the likes of Aunty Ruth is of course playing the faux outrage card when there's really nothing to see here.

Good luck to her, She'll need it come May.

[vikingTON]

9 minutes ago, Jim McLean's Ghost said:

Are you against prioritising the vulnerable in exchange for getting the numbers up?

Because that is what the English are doing. They are behind getting the most vulnerable vaccinated so they can boast about BIG NUMBER despite having a daily mortality number that is well above almost most other countries.

Utter pish. 'The English' (the resentment visually seeping out of your post here btw) are not vaccinating healthy adults just to bump the numbers up. They're just not sticking to completing individual at risk groups one at a time in some ridiculous Rain Man exercise. Scotland's daily mortality numbers aren't any better compared to cases so that's just nonsense as well.

Meanwhile the pallet burners completed the care homes that the simps love to cite as the reason for the SG's clownshoes performance AND have a much higher vaccination rate overall.

Scotland's vaccination rollout has been nothing short of abysmal across the board and no amount of spin, bullshit and wild deflection is going to change that fact.

Edited February 1, 2021 by vikingTON

[vikingTON]

2 minutes ago, Burnieman said:

 

 

The actual reality is there's targets/goals that have been set, that is what the SG/WM will be judged against, not a shit Sunday performance.

You can't kick a target down the road when that target is public. We'll find out in a couple of weeks if their first target has been met.

 

The SG's targets for the end of January were public before the goalposts were shifted and dropped. The usual suspects were all okay with that. 

There's not even the façade of disinterested commentary taking place any more. 

[Billy Jean King]

The actual reality is there's targets/goals that have been set, that is what the SG/WM will be judged against, not a shit Sunday performance.

You can't kick a target down the road when that target is public. We'll find out in a couple of weeks if their first target has been met.

Far too sensible for in here.

As I said yesterday the hysteria in here on all negatives grows by the minute. It's becoming a wallowing cesspit of shared depression and misery, all taking each other's minds further and further through the looking glass. It's not healthy and probably, in fact definitely, not helping anyone struggling with their mental health.

[djchapsticks]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-55706855

Only 38 Severe cases in 750,000 fully vaccinated people from the most at risk groups.

The rate of infection is also dropping at a much increased rate in the oldest in society who have received the vaccine. 

The infections among unvaccinated groups who are in lockdown are also dropping but at a slower pace.

Edited February 1, 2021 by djchapsticks

[Burnieman]

Utter pish. 'The English' (the resentment visually seeping out of your post here btw) are not vaccinating healthy adults just to bump the numbers up. They're just not sticking to completing individual at risk groups one at a time in some ridiculous Rain Man exercise. Scotland's daily mortality numbers aren't any better compared to cases so that's just nonsense as well.
Meanwhile the pallet burners completed the care homes that the simps love to cite as the reason for the SG's clownshoes performance AND have a much higher vaccination rate overall.
Scotland's vaccination rollout has been nothing short of abysmal across the board and no amount of spin, bullshit and wild deflection is going to change that fact.

Dear me, heads gone.

[Left Back]

1 minute ago, WATTOO said:

Personally I'm sick of this "race" nonsense and daily questions of "they've done this but we've only done that" sort of pointless patter.

Basically we all know (or should know) that Scotland prioritised care homes and care home staff first, we should also know that the geography and spread of the population in Scotland is much different and much more challenging than England and we should also know that "mass vaccination centres" will obviously work much better in large populated areas such as major cities, so is it any real wonder that England have carried out proportionately more vaccinations than Scotland ? It's certainly not surprising to me.

Over and above this the actual supply situation could be easily understood and interpreted correctly if we were transparent about the vaccine figures but of course the UK government have prevented the Scottish Gov from publishing these figures, despite they themselves leaking "half a story" to their favoured press sources (and I'm sure we all know why).

Finally, if there are issues where the scottish Gov have screwed up, then by all means they should be held to account, however our press are just playing politics at the moment and the likes of Aunty Ruth is of course playing the faux outrage card when there's really nothing to see here.

Good luck to her, She'll need it come May.

I couldn’t care less about the race.  I do care that there are vaccines allocated to Scotland that are sitting in freezers and not in arms.  I couldn’t care less about the excuses why.  There are no valid excuses.  This could and should have been planned for.

 It does make a mockery of the claims that supply would be the rate limiting factor.  That doesn’t seem to be the case in Scotland.

[Burnieman]

Far too sensible for in here.

As I said yesterday the hysteria in here on all negatives grows by the minute. It's becoming a wallowing cesspit of shared depression and misery, all taking each other's minds further and further through the looking glass. It's not healthy and probably, in fact definitely, not helping anyone struggling with their mental health.

It's quite incredible really. Political point scoring clouding rational analysis.

[Inanimate Carbon Rod]

19 minutes ago, Elixir said:

Can practically taste Sridhar's tears. 

Excellent, let the hate seep through you. 

11 minutes ago, Billy Jean King said:

20 minutes ago, Left Back said:

Possibly referring to the report in the Times today that was discussed on this thread this morning.

That was discussed just yesterday. Scotland seems to be getting large amounts of Pfizer which is extremely problematic for GP surgeries and vaccination centres away from the Mass sites opened in Glasgow, Edinburgh and Aberdeen as they simply cannot take it in any sort of quantity as they can't store it. Unfortunately we have no control over what vaccine we get in our allocation. Think we only have access to 30 of the -70 capable freezers required although not sure if more could be procured.

Had the pfizer vaccine at the Vale of Leven hospital, wife got hers in inverclyde, friends got it in Ayr, there’s people on this thread who’ve had it in inverness at GP surgeries. It absolutely can be transported. The Scottish Government have had the best part of a year to plan the logistics of this and we’ve known about the storage implications for at least six months. The NHS and Sage etc have all the experts at their beck and call, im not buying the ‘but the pfizer vaccine is too hard to use’ excuse anymore. 

Is there anything in the daily figures about wasteage? 650 doses in one day at the Louisa Jordan?

[vikingTON]

6 minutes ago, WATTOO said:

Personally I'm sick of this "race" nonsense and daily questions of "they've done this but we've only done that" sort of pointless patter.

Basically we all know (or should know) that Scotland prioritised care homes and care home staff first, we should also know that the geography and spread of the population in Scotland is much different and much more challenging than England and we should also know that "mass vaccination centres" will obviously work much better in large populated areas such as major cities, so is it any real wonder that England have carried out proportionately more vaccinations than Scotland ? It's certainly not surprising to me.

Still no explanation as to how the pallet burners have managed to both prioritise care homes and batter on with the overall programme, while tilting at windmills with this 'but whit England's daein is unfair!' hot take.

[Billy Jean King]

Utter pish. 'The English' (the resentment visually seeping out of your post here btw) are not vaccinating healthy adults just to bump the numbers up. They're just not sticking to completing individual at risk groups one at a time in some ridiculous Rain Man exercise. Scotland's daily mortality numbers aren't any better compared to cases so that's just nonsense as well.
Meanwhile the pallet burners completed the care homes that the simps love to cite as the reason for the SG's clownshoes performance AND have a much higher vaccination rate overall.
Scotland's vaccination rollout has been nothing short of abysmal across the board and no amount of spin, bullshit and wild deflection is going to change that fact.

"pallet burners" oh ffs !

Not exactly sure what is oozing out you there but something derogatory certainly is. A bit rich after you chastisement you "simp"