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Just now, MP_MFC said:

Hawd on. Did I catch Swinney right there? GG&C have been fudging their hospital figures this entire time?

Thats what it sounded like.  They hadn't been including positive tests from lighthouse labs.  Only tests from their own testing programme.

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Leitch was absolutely fine letting the OF game go ahead with a capacity crowd only a year ago. Some u-turn he's been on. 

Leitch and Yousaf could quite have easily just condemned the behaviour without resorting to made-up catastrophism. But they chose not to went all in regardless. 

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Just now, MP_MFC said:

Hawd on. Did I catch Swinney right there? GG&C have been fudging their hospital figures this entire time?

It's absolutely incredible how many times over the last 11 months the methods for counting have changed.

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4 minutes ago, djchapsticks said:

It was always unlikely to affect UEFA's stance.

As are yesterday's scenes unlikely to have any significant impact on case numbers in all honesty.

The anger though is rightfully with the awful handling of the entire situation and the message that it sends out. In a scenario where no-one has been allowed to do much of anything in the past 12 months, it reeks of at best cowardice and at worst collusion for the police to suddenly decide off their own back that they can't handle dispersing of a crowd that was in reality a couple of thousand people that at first, was filtering gradually into an area.

There is also a distinct lack of acceptance that breaking them up when they were a few dozen in number would have firstly sent those gathering away home and secondly, dissuaded others who saw and heard the scenes going on and decided to join the growing crowd. 

Correct. The police's gormless insistence that 'but... we couldnae give fines to them all or we'd be still doing it now!' is a ridiculous case of missing the point. They should be breaking up the crowd first and then rounding up as many as they can for punishment later. You'd think that they were taking a cut from every fine by their insistence on patrolling park benches and train stations in case some wifey doesn't have an essential purpose for being there. 

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15 hours ago, No_Problemo said:

The cases are flying down.

They are falling at a decent rate again, but last week there were concerns raised that it was slowing.

You can see it in the graphs from the excellent Traveling Tabby 

 

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I’m not watching the briefing - is there a reason for the increase in hospital admissions?
GG&C have decided to report all cases, as opposed to just the ones they wanted to.

Unbelievable.
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6 minutes ago, djchapsticks said:

It was always unlikely to affect UEFA's stance.

As are yesterday's scenes unlikely to have any significant impact on case numbers in all honesty.

The anger though is rightfully with the awful handling of the entire situation and the message that it sends out. In a scenario where no-one has been allowed to do much of anything in the past 12 months, it reeks of at best cowardice and at worst collusion for the police to suddenly decide off their own back that they can't handle dispersing of a crowd that was in reality a couple of thousand people that at first, was filtering gradually into an area.

There is also a distinct lack of acceptance that breaking them up when they were a few dozen in number would have firstly sent those gathering away home and secondly, dissuaded others who saw and heard the scenes going on and decided to join the growing crowd. 

At which point, these people would have gone indoors, which would likely result in a worse clinical outcome than what actually happened.

No matter who won the title this year - Rangers, Celtic, Aberdeen, St Mirren, whoever - people were always going to congregate to celebrate it. If the Government didn't recognise that and prepare for it (and Rangers statement today makes it pretty clear that they pointed out to the SNP that this was inevitable), then that's on them. A cynic might suggest that they did foresee this and realised that it would be far better to keep people outdoors.

Really think that football fans need to be very careful about jumping into the same bed as people who think the Spanish police have the right approach to this. There will be other clubs who do the same thing, on a smaller scale, over the next few months.

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It's absolutely incredible how many times over the last 11 months the methods for counting have changed.
Why GG&C have been allowed to vary from the standard way of reporting is beyond me.
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I would have loved it had Swinney said that officials will be looking at available camera footage and looking to dish up fines up to £10k to those in retrospect.

You'd imagine that any celebration would very quickly turn to gut-wrenching fear for days on end, and they'd deserve it imo.  Even if nothing actually came of it, that fear would be punishment enough.

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  • 501 new cases of Covid have been reported

Very high number for a Sunday and much higher than last week.  Very odd.  The figures do fluctuate until they become official in about 2-3 days time.

 

And 5% positivity.

Something definitely dodgy going on.

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1 minute ago, superbigal said:
  • 501 new cases of Covid have been reported

Very high number for a Sunday and much higher than last week.  Very odd.  The figures do fluctuate until they become official in about 2-3 days time.

Not really. There's only been 1 Monday figure lower than that in the last 3 months, albeit it was last week.

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12 minutes ago, virginton said:

Correct. The police's gormless insistence that 'but... we couldnae give fines to them all or we'd be still doing it now!' is a ridiculous case of missing the point. They should be breaking up the crowd first and then rounding up as many as they can for punishment later. You'd think that they were taking a cut from every fine by their insistence on patrolling park benches and train stations in case some wifey doesn't have an essential purpose for being there. 

But CROWD DYNAMICS!!!

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