Robin.Hood Posted April 21, 2021 Share Posted April 21, 2021 9 minutes ago, Thereisalight.. said: I swear on my life Why do people say this 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottsdad Posted April 21, 2021 Share Posted April 21, 2021 7 minutes ago, The Moonster said: You only use 4 apps but you've no room for another? The average size of an app is 11.3MB, there's just no way your phone can't handle a total of 5 apps. Most phones come with 8GB memory these days, you're having us on here. These porn apps can be quite big, you know. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteRoseKillie Posted April 21, 2021 Share Posted April 21, 2021 1 hour ago, Todd_is_God said: There is a very telling quote in that article: "It makes you feel more safe" The horrendous over the top messaging over what was a respiratory virus slightly more deadly than a bad flu, combined with the "everyone can get it" and "the vaccine doesn't stop you catching or transmitting it" has caused irreperable damage to people. The parts in quotation marks above are demonstrably false, but people just don't want to accept that. A pretty bad flu, to be in the 127k+ ballpark, tbf. Certainly far worse than we've seen for many years. Not "demonstrably false", but your spin smells of it having been over as a public health crisis last summer. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bennett Posted April 21, 2021 Share Posted April 21, 2021 35 minutes ago, Thereisalight.. said: We will definitely go down that route sadly. I feel sorry for the old boys I know who go to Somerset and don’t have smart phones. I have no room on mine for any more apps so looks like an inaccurate test will be the only way I’d get in to see yet another Ayr humping. Not sure it’s worth the hassle in all honesty Add a wee memory card? The problem with some phones is the pre installed guff that comes with them and can be hard to remove. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteRoseKillie Posted April 21, 2021 Share Posted April 21, 2021 1 hour ago, Todd_is_God said: Spanish Flu killed 228,000 in the UK. Last time I checked that was a flu virus. Highlighting that Covid 19 is not as deadly as the hysteria that was generated last March is not the same as saying it doesn't exist. Last March we knew fúck all about this virus, had no vaccine and no clear idea of how to protect ourselves from it. I don't mind saying that, when I read about the spread from its Chinese origins and then saw the pictures from Italian hospitals, I got my will out just to make sure it was still correct. That wasn't "hysteria", that was real, palpable fear. A year on, things are massively different, at least in this country (UK). Globally, we're a fair distance from the finish line, but we're getting there. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhiteRoseKillie Posted April 21, 2021 Share Posted April 21, 2021 36 minutes ago, The Moonster said: I'd rather we didn't have passports but you've got no room for an app? I don't believe that, nor do I believe you'd rather go to the hassle of returning a negative test every time you wanted to go to the football rather than simply deleting an app you don't use. 95% of the UK households have mobile phones. I'm sure we can sort out the other 5% without too much bother. Statistics You've Pulled out of Your Arse thread for this pish... Seriously, that's the least of the discriminatory issues which make compulsory "passports" of any kind a non-starter. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thereisalight.. Posted April 21, 2021 Share Posted April 21, 2021 (edited) 24 minutes ago, The Moonster said: You only use 4 apps but you've no room for another? The average size of an app is 11.3MB, there's just no way your phone can't handle a total of 5 apps. Most phones come with 8GB memory these days, you're having us on here. I have about 5000 pics on there as well though Edited April 21, 2021 by Thereisalight.. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Honest_Man#1 Posted April 21, 2021 Share Posted April 21, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, Todd_is_God said: Spanish Flu killed 228,000 in the UK. Last time I checked that was a flu virus. Highlighting that Covid 19 is not as deadly as the hysteria that was generated last March is not the same as saying it doesn't exist. You are being incredibly disingenuous going with this line of posting. Saying it’s only slightly worse than a bad flu, is clearly nonsense in 99% of cases. Using the worst flu pandemic the world has ever seen as a barometer of how bad Covid isn’t the big win you think it is. Edited April 21, 2021 by Honest_Man#1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Moonster Posted April 21, 2021 Share Posted April 21, 2021 Just now, WhiteRoseKillie said: Statistics You've Pulled out of Your Arse thread for this pish... Seriously, that's the least of the discriminatory issues which make compulsory "passports" of any kind a non-starter. I literally just googled the percentage of UK households with a mobile phone. It has apparently stayed around 95% since 2015. These are given from statistica.com. If you have better figures then I'm happy to hear them. 2 minutes ago, Thereisalight.. said: I have about 5000 pics on there as well though Which can be easily put onto a memory card of some sort, or a computer. I get you don't want them to happen, we'd all rather not have them, but the reasons being thrown out here are like a child trying to come up with reasons why he can't do his homework. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy Jean King Posted April 21, 2021 Share Posted April 21, 2021 There is a very telling quote in that article: "It makes you feel more safe" The horrendous over the top messaging over what was a respiratory virus slightly more deadly than a bad flu, combined with the "everyone can get it" and "the vaccine doesn't stop you catching or transmitting it" has caused irreperable damage to people. The parts in quotation marks above are demonstrably false, but people just don't want to accept that.It's also interesting to note Denmark are over 4 months into their gradual unlocking. I wonder what the reaction would be if we get to July and announced you will only gain unrestricted access to bars, restaurants or stadiums via an app proving you are fully jabbed or have tested negative. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael W Posted April 21, 2021 Share Posted April 21, 2021 (edited) Think it's fair to say that there's a legitimate difference between being terrified of the virus back in Feb/March 2020 and holding the same view now. We take the piss out of the "we just don't know!!!" line a lot on here, but you can forgive that at the start because we genuinely didn't know. We didn't know how it might impact young people for example or how likely it was to kill. Our scientists making an arse of things didn't help either. But now there's a lot we do know: the young and healthy are hardly impacted by the virus whereas those in poor heath or with underlying conditions, or whom are elderly, are at risk of severe illness and potentially death. We have vaccines that are effective against the virus, we know that transmission of the virus in outdoor settings are rare and you don't need to spray your amazon parcels with dettol to stop yourself getting the virus. We are also making good progress with our vaccination programme, vaccinating those for whom Covid is most likely to cause problems for. We can also now better treat covid in the event that people do end up on hospital. We talk about reopening the economy, but to do so effectively we also need to get people comfortable and messaging is a key part of this. Downplaying the impact of vaccines, is counterintuitive to achieving this. The evidence is in front of us and we should start publicising it more widely. Edited April 21, 2021 by Michael W 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Aldo Posted April 21, 2021 Share Posted April 21, 2021 I have about 4 apps that I use multiple times a day. I swear on my life that I have no room for another. I certainly would cut down on the amount of games I go to rather than having to take a test each time. I’m sure I’m in the minority but restrictions like that will put me off football for good (or until they bin them)Sounds like you need to upgrade your phone. I hear the Nokia 3310 is decent. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy Jean King Posted April 21, 2021 Share Posted April 21, 2021 This is a massive problem. As you say, all about perception. Why does it make people "feel more safe"? Given the messaging banded about vaccines not being 100% effective and that you might have it and not know about it, including being infectious but not returning a positive test during the incubation period, why would one feel safer with this because it says you are either negative for covid or have been vaccinated? The virus certainly isn't going to be stopped by a mobile phone app. I struggle to see how this can possibly coexist with the messaging the government puts out. It seems unnecessary. And at what point do we ditch them? If everyone's vaccinated, for example, why will we need proof of it? Are we going to continue mass testing after vaccination? If the answer is no, which I hope it is, its usefulness is further diluted. I think it made that particular person feel more safe because if you read the article she witnessed the business activity checking everyone's app before admitting them thus she was assured there was no one unvaccinated or untested in that venue. I can see exactly how that would reassure some people. Clearly like the UK, Denmark are opening up well before everyone is vaccinated. There will be millions of people who have taken coaxing to be vaccinated, these people will hopefully be taking assurances from the scientific results that they are working and the app will simply be a further layer to them. As has been stated in the previous few posts, anything that coaxes the millions scarred by this back on the road to normality probably shouldn't be knocked or dismissed. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thereisalight.. Posted April 21, 2021 Share Posted April 21, 2021 (edited) 10 minutes ago, The Moonster said: Which can be easily put onto a memory card of some sort, or a computer. I get you don't want them to happen, we'd all rather not have them, but the reasons being thrown out here are like a child trying to come up with reasons why he can't do his homework. Half of them are on a memory card. I'm not the best with tech. People shouldn't be forced into getting a better smart phone etc. If we're left behind then so be it, I'm sure Ayr United will miss those dated fans more than we'll miss them (going on current results) Edited April 21, 2021 by Thereisalight.. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy Jean King Posted April 21, 2021 Share Posted April 21, 2021 My brothers son returned to face to face teaching at college this week, well that's the headline news however Monday and today sent home as the lecturers are on strike. You couldn't fukin make it up !!! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Moonster Posted April 21, 2021 Share Posted April 21, 2021 Just now, Thereisalight.. said: Half of them are on a memory card. I'm not the best with tech. People shouldn't be forced into getting a better smart phone etc. If we're left behind then so be it, I'm sure Ayr United will miss those dated fans more than we'll miss them (going on current results) Nobody will need a better smart phone. In Israel, old folk without a phone get sent out a card with a QR code they can scan. If you really can't work out how to free up around 11MB of memory in your phone or download an app from an app store then I'm sure you can get a card. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thereisalight.. Posted April 21, 2021 Share Posted April 21, 2021 2 minutes ago, The Moonster said: Nobody will need a better smart phone. In Israel, old folk without a phone get sent out a card with a QR code they can scan. If you really can't work out how to free up around 11MB of memory in your phone or download an app from an app store then I'm sure you can get a card. That's good to know. My mum doesnt have a smart phone and was worried about how she'd get into places. A card sounds "better" and less intrusive anyway 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thereisalight.. Posted April 21, 2021 Share Posted April 21, 2021 The UK using Israel as the blueprint in all this. Such a wild take given how fcked up that country is. Apartheid is the name of the game 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Left Back Posted April 21, 2021 Share Posted April 21, 2021 Where are these models coming from that there could be 30,000 -100,000 deaths over the next year? https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-56830398 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Moonster Posted April 21, 2021 Share Posted April 21, 2021 2 minutes ago, Thereisalight.. said: That's good to know. My mum doesnt have a smart phone and was worried about how she'd get into places. A card sounds "better" and less intrusive anyway The card will hold the same data the app does. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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