Coronavirus (COVID-19)

[super_carson]

1 minute ago, Bairnardo said:

That whole article is just about "what scientists want". Surely theres no one left who doesnt know these freaks would lock us down forever

Perhaps, but there is a valid question about why the UK Gov are recruiting "Covid Marshalls" to start working from 1st July.  Anyone who wants to be a "covid marshall" probably still wears their school prefect badge. 

[Elixir]

Once 90%+ of adults in the UK are vaxxed, and it becomes increasingly clear that they continue to utterly piss on the virus and associated vArIAnTz, there's going to have to be some very creative manipulation as to why every single restriction isn't in the bin.

That said, it's inevitable that the Coronavirus Act will get renewed again in September before winter and the inevitable bed shitting when respiratory virus season returns. I think once we make it through next winter relatively unscathed it will become politically toxic to continue, and at that point we'll start to get the 'old normal' back.

[Elixir]

3 minutes ago, Bairnardo said:

That whole article is just about "what scientists want". Surely theres no one left who doesnt know these freaks would lock us down forever

The article is filled with a lot of 'coulds' as well.

[DeeTillEhDeh]

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/04/27/june-21-wont-much-return-normal-thought/

Telegraph saying June 21st will only have a lifting on numbers of people you can have in your house, with pubs still sticking to 1m+ distancing, 25% capacity at outdoor Wimbledon in July, and theatres/cinemas etc still facing stringent capacity limits. Face coverings won’t go away this year and nor will social distancing.

I for one am simply stunned by this. Absolutely stunned.

I did have my doubts about that date at the time - Johnson at his duplicitous worst.

I genuinely hope that it is not true.

[Scosha]

There is no way the public will comply with these rules where possible after 21st June when hospitals are empty and a HUGE amount of the population are vaccinated. These restrictions were to “protect the NHS” and “save lives” well, the NHS is now protected and less people are dying (and this will only reduce even more), due to the impact of a highly successful vaccine. 
I still take comfort from the likes of Whitty etc saying we’ll need to live with this going forward. We’ll get there! 

[Michael W]

I get paywalled by the article so can't read it. However this from yesterday did set off thinking the backsliding was starting pretty early:

Not quite the slam dunk promised, then. Being Johnson I have no expectation it'll actually happen anyway but it's just yet more open statements to enable the inevitable u-turn. 

Come summer all of the priority groups should be fully vaccinated and probably the vast majority of the non-priority groups will have had at least one dose as well. If we're still insisting on masks and enforcing distancing in pubs at the point, then we may as well fucking give up, franky. An absolute nonsense. 

I, too, can unfortunately see the Coronavirus Act being extended as it expires just before we start to enter respitory virus season, which will no doubt usher in restrictions once more. 

Edited April 27, 2021 by Michael W

[Left Back]

Sky News running a story that the Indian government are deliberately hiding the real death toll.

[anotherchance]

19 minutes ago, Elixir said:

Once 90%+ of adults in the UK are vaxxed, and it becomes increasingly clear that they continue to utterly piss on the virus and associated vArIAnTz, there's going to have to be some very creative manipulation as to why every single restriction isn't in the bin.

That said, it's inevitable that the Coronavirus Act will get renewed again in September before winter and the inevitable bed shitting when respiratory virus season returns. I think once we make it through next winter relatively unscathed it will become politically toxic to continue, and at that point we'll start to get the 'old normal' back.

I reckon there's a load of carrot and stick going on from Sturgeon at least - need to keep a bit of fear (of both variants and restrictions) in order to try and minimise vaccine hesitancy as we approach the younger age groups. I don't think it's a particularly pleasant tactic given the impact the messaging has on people, but I do get it.

 

[effeffsee_the2nd]

Sky News running a story that the Indian government are deliberately hiding the real death toll.

Or just too many to count?

[Left Back]

10 minutes ago, effeffsee_the2nd said:

Or just too many to count?

I assumed that families were burying/cremating their dead without informing officialdom, which led to the discrepancy between actual and reported.  The story is that crematorium officials have been instructed to “massage” the figures.

[Michael W]

41 minutes ago, Left Back said:

Sky News running a story that the Indian government are deliberately hiding the real death toll.

There's been a lot of this talk from Indian doctors on social media recently as well. Their estimate is that the real number of cases per day is between 500k-900k.

Unfortunately we are seeing the sad consequences of pandemic mismanagement in a developing country here all to clearly. There have been several deaths occurring because hospitals ran out of oxygen. 

From a selfish perspective, this is also  bad news for vaccine supplies. I'm nor sure how much of our supply is from India, but try explaining to your population that vaccines are being exported whilst this goes on. Safe to say we ain't getting anything any time soon. 

[Left Back]

2 minutes ago, Michael W said:

There's been a lot of this talk from Indian doctors on social media recently as well. Their estimate is that the real number of cases per day is between 500k-900k.

Unfortunately we are seeing the sad consequences of pandemic mismanagement in a developing country here all to clearly. There have been several deaths occurring because hospitals ran out of oxygen. 

From a selfish perspective, this is also  bad news for vaccine supplies. I'm nor sure how much of our supply is from India, but try explaining to your population that vaccines are being exported whilst this goes on. Safe to say we ain't getting anything any time soon. 

We had 10m ordered from India.  We’ve had half of that.  Agree with you we won’t be getting the rest but not the end of the world.

I don’t think India’s problem at the moment is vaccines.  They need to do something like lockdown to stop transmission.  Probably easier said than done though.

It will get a whole lot worse before it gets better as they don’t seem to have started any mitigation so christ knows where the peak will be.

[EH75]

2 minutes ago, Left Back said:

I don’t think India’s problem at the moment is vaccines.  They need to do something like lockdown to stop transmission.  Probably easier said than done though. 

Yeah I don't know how realistic a lockdown is over there. I'm not sure they can afford the levels of government support that western economies have been dishing out, and that's before you even get to the issue of the conditions some people live in. High levels of poverty with lots of poor people living in close proximity who already have poor access to health care. I presume there is also a much higher instance of multi generational households which has obvious problems. 

So aye, I think essentially this is going to just have to rip through the population naturally over there to a much greater extent than we have seen so far in most other countries. A shite state of affairs to say the very least. 

[Michael W]

11 minutes ago, Left Back said:

We had 10m ordered from India.  We’ve had half of that.  Agree with you we won’t be getting the rest but not the end of the world.

I don’t think India’s problem at the moment is vaccines.  They need to do something like lockdown to stop transmission.  Probably easier said than done though.

It will get a whole lot worse before it gets better as they don’t seem to have started any mitigation so christ knows where the peak will be.

Fair enough, not as bad as feared then! 

Agreed vaccines aren't the problem, but they are down a hole and may as well try to vaccinate as many as they can. The 5m not consigned to us is an utter drop in the ocean for a country of India's population though. 

They made an arse of it by allowing large scale religious festivals attended by millions across the country to take place. No one wants it but they need to lockdown  as it's out of hand by the sounds of it. Even if they do it's going to be grim for a good few weeks yet minimum. 

Edited April 27, 2021 by Michael W

[strichener]

2 minutes ago, Michael W said:

Fair enough, not as bad as feared then! 

Agreed vaccines aren't the problem, but they are down a hole and may as well try to vaccinate as many as they can. The 5m not consigned to us is an utter drop in the ocean for a country of Indian's population though. 

They made an arse of it by allowing large scale religious festivals attended by millions across the country to take place. No one wants it but they need to lockdown  as it's out of hand by the sounds of it. Even if they do it's going to be grim for a good few weeks yet minimum. 

In communication with a company in Jaipur and they are locked down.  The guy I was talking to has half his workforce off with COVID and is telling me that the oxygen situation is even worse than it is being reported.

[Lyle Lanley]

Lockdown for all camels it is. 

Edited April 27, 2021 by Lyle Lanley

[s_dog]

That's the scary thing about India, the numbers of infections have shot up in the past 3-4 weeks. We all know there is a lag between cases > hospitalisation > death, so how bad are the numbers dying going to get? Brazil was terrible, this is horrific. They need any kind of help that is available, and lots of it, but even much of that may be too little, too late.

[Left Back]

6 minutes ago, EH75 said:

 

So aye, I think essentially this is going to just have to rip through the population naturally over there to a much greater extent than we have seen so far in most other countries. A shite state of affairs to say the very least. 

Currently at 350,000 cases per day (low estimate probably).  With an R0 of roughly 3 it doesn’t bear thinking about where they’ll be in a couple of weeks.

[RossBFaeDundee]

2 minutes ago, Lyle Lanley said:

 

Profound stuff right there.

[Lyle Lanley]

3 minutes ago, RossBFaeDundee said:

Profound stuff right there.

Think we should just lockdown the entire country for the camel variant as we just don’t know.