Elixir Posted April 28, 2021 Share Posted April 28, 2021 3 minutes ago, Left Back said: These extra Pfizer aren't boosters against variants. I'm guessing they're to ensure longevity of protection. The Curevac is in theory being deisgned to give better protection against variants but it does seem a bit pointless when no known variant has laid a glove on the vaccines yet. Yup. Probably because it's becoming increasingly clear that the current vaccines are utterly smoking the scariants - they just don't want that in the public domain yet. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Left Back Posted April 28, 2021 Share Posted April 28, 2021 I'm awaiting the next wave of incoming about rich nations buying up all the vaccines. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy Jean King Posted April 28, 2021 Share Posted April 28, 2021 How are Wales trucking along and we're still on the over 45's? Possibly because they have far less folk to vaccinate ? -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshmallo Posted April 28, 2021 Share Posted April 28, 2021 It's incredible to me how quickly people rush to the defence of the Scottish Government in this thread even when faced with hard facts. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy Jean King Posted April 28, 2021 Share Posted April 28, 2021 Yay let's boost against variants that the vaccine already smokes... Can't help but feel the booster chat was created by the likes of Pfizer to boost profit off the back of "Variant fear." And world leaders have fallen for it.Do we know how long the protection of 2 doses lasts ? Surely wouldn't order like that if we didn't actually need them 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy Jean King Posted April 28, 2021 Share Posted April 28, 2021 It's incredible to me how quickly people rush to the defence of the Scottish Government in this thread even when faced with hard facts.Such as ? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Left Back Posted April 28, 2021 Share Posted April 28, 2021 3 minutes ago, Billy Jean King said: 1 hour ago, Left Back said: How are Wales trucking along and we're still on the over 45's? Possibly because they have far less folk to vaccinate ? yes they have a smaller population, but they also have a smaller NHS/workforce to actually deliver the vaccines so it's all proportionate. If they were getting proportionately more supply I'd suspect there would have been a stink in the media so I doubt it's that. You don't have to be an apologist for the Scottish Government over every issue. It's a very tired routine. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael W Posted April 28, 2021 Share Posted April 28, 2021 Is there any evidence pointing to boosters actually being necessary? Presumably they are for those that receive the flu jabs and won't be rolled out more widely? What I don't want to see are boosters being used as an excuse to prolong restrictions. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PWL Posted April 28, 2021 Share Posted April 28, 2021 From your Travelling Tabby site update updated 10 mins ago (and if you've not done the buy me a coffee thing for him then you should) Wales miles ahead on first jags in particular. We're best of the rest. As an aside, I'm 47 and got my blue letter today. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy Jean King Posted April 28, 2021 Share Posted April 28, 2021 yes they have a smaller population, but they also have a smaller NHS/workforce to actually deliver the vaccines so it's all proportionate. If they were getting proportionately more supply I'd suspect there would have been a stink in the media so I doubt it's that. You don't have to be an apologist for the Scottish Government over every issue. It's a very tired routine.They have only done 2.3m doses we are almost at 4m. Both countries will be using as much as we are being given as you rightly point out. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Left Back Posted April 28, 2021 Share Posted April 28, 2021 2 minutes ago, Michael W said: Is there any evidence pointing to boosters actually being necessary? Presumably they are for those that receive the flu jabs and won't be rolled out more widely? What I don't want to see are boosters being used as an excuse to prolong restrictions. That's what it seems to be. Can't say I disagree with the approach. use the vulnerable as dartboards to be on the safe side while we monitor others to check the longevity 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael W Posted April 28, 2021 Share Posted April 28, 2021 I can't make up my mind if those London figures are alarming or are simply indicative of it being a city full of younger people that are yet to be called. Probably a bit of both. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy Jean King Posted April 28, 2021 Share Posted April 28, 2021 yes they have a smaller population, but they also have a smaller NHS/workforce to actually deliver the vaccines so it's all proportionate. If they were getting proportionately more supply I'd suspect there would have been a stink in the media so I doubt it's that. You don't have to be an apologist for the Scottish Government over every issue. It's a very tired routine.There is no need for anyone to be a govt apologist on either vaccine rollout. As I pointed out both countries are delivering all they get. There is nothing in Wales stats to beat the SG with here. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy Jean King Posted April 28, 2021 Share Posted April 28, 2021 Doesn't that graph show we have already done 27% 30-39 year olds, so we have started on that age group ? Might be folk like NHS workers, Care Home staff, Social Care workers etc buts still nearly 30%. The individual NHS trusts seem to vary quite widely on vaccine progress. 49yo in Ayrshire not had letters yet whilst other areas are at sub 45 yet overall A&A shows up well. A lot will depend on the demographic of the area. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Left Back Posted April 28, 2021 Share Posted April 28, 2021 2 minutes ago, Billy Jean King said: 10 minutes ago, Left Back said: yes they have a smaller population, but they also have a smaller NHS/workforce to actually deliver the vaccines so it's all proportionate. If they were getting proportionately more supply I'd suspect there would have been a stink in the media so I doubt it's that. You don't have to be an apologist for the Scottish Government over every issue. It's a very tired routine. There is no need for anyone to be a govt apologist on either vaccine rollout. As I pointed out both countries are delivering all they get. There is nothing in Wales stats to beat the SG with here. There clearly is as proportionately they've administered significantly more doses (first and second) than we have in Scotland. You agree they won't have had proportionately more supply so there is a question to be asked at the very least. this is the same Wales that was an utter shambles at the start of their roll-out. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy Jean King Posted April 28, 2021 Share Posted April 28, 2021 There clearly is as proportionately they've administered significantly more doses (first and second) than we have in Scotland. You agree they won't have had proportionately more supply so there is a question to be asked at the very least. this is the same Wales that was an utter shambles at the start of their roll-out.So we are back to the old chestnut of assuming we are not administering all the vaccine doses we receive. I thought we have moved on from that. Failing that reason I'm not really sure what your getting at. We can only deliver what we have. The TT stats show we are doing pretty well, I'm not sure what we could do differently, I doubt anyone on here will given we don't know how it all works logistically. Do Wales issue individual's with an appointment or just have a booking line leaving the population to decide ? That might be a factor but I don't know.I would say UK wide we are making a pretty good fist of it. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie_B Posted April 28, 2021 Share Posted April 28, 2021 I don’t know about Wales but Northern Ireland are also calling much younger groups to get their vaccine. However, there’s a big element in their stats of simply not having finished the older groups. NI haven’t published how big the cohort is of, say, 50-59 year olds. They do say, however( that they have vaccinated 99,000 in that age group. For comparison, we’ve done 750k in that age group. So more than 7x the number with only 3x the population. I should add that NI’s data publication is shit so they’ve probably done a bit more than that but counted them in another cohort (eg extremely vulnerable, care workers etc). 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elixir Posted April 28, 2021 Share Posted April 28, 2021 16 minutes ago, Billy Jean King said: 22 minutes ago, Left Back said: yes they have a smaller population, but they also have a smaller NHS/workforce to actually deliver the vaccines so it's all proportionate. If they were getting proportionately more supply I'd suspect there would have been a stink in the media so I doubt it's that. You don't have to be an apologist for the Scottish Government over every issue. It's a very tired routine. They have only done 2.3m doses we are almost at 4m. Both countries will be using as much as we are being given as you rightly point out. Do you know the respective populations of Scotland and Wales, and do you know what 'per capita' means? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Left Back Posted April 28, 2021 Share Posted April 28, 2021 6 minutes ago, Billy Jean King said: So we are back to the old chestnut of assuming we are not administering all the vaccine doses we receive. I thought we have moved on from that. Failing that reason I'm not really sure what your getting at. We can only deliver what we have. The TT stats show we are doing pretty well, I'm not sure what we could do differently, I doubt anyone on here will given we don't know how it all works logistically. Do Wales issue individual's with an appointment or just have a booking line leaving the population to decide ? That might be a factor but I don't know. I would say UK wide we are making a pretty good fist of it. you should be a politician the way you try and spin and deflect what is a perfectly reasonable question 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Left Back Posted April 28, 2021 Share Posted April 28, 2021 22 minutes ago, PWL said: From your Travelling Tabby site update updated 10 mins ago (and if you've not done the buy me a coffee thing for him then you should) Wales miles ahead on first jags in particular. We're best of the rest. As an aside, I'm 47 and got my blue letter today. ^^^ Travelling Tabby found. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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