Detournement Posted September 6, 2021 Share Posted September 6, 2021 50 minutes ago, welshbairn said: Fair enough, I was just looking at interviews. Am I wrong in thinking that England and Wales already have these permanent powers? No they are going to vote to extend it another 6 months this week. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elixir Posted September 6, 2021 Share Posted September 6, 2021 Simping ain't for everybody. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wee Bully Posted September 6, 2021 Share Posted September 6, 2021 Just now, Elixir said: Simping ain't for everybody. Wow. Just wow. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Left Back Posted September 6, 2021 Share Posted September 6, 2021 42 minutes ago, Wee Bully said: That’s really interesting. Where did you get those stats? NRS publish stats on deaths in Scotland. As far as I’m aware they only publish it by week and not by day. https://www.nrscotland.gov.uk/files//statistics/weekly-monthly-births-deaths-data/2021/jul/weekly-july-21-tab2.xlsx Saying 150 deaths per day on average in Scotland is reasonable. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
101 Posted September 6, 2021 Share Posted September 6, 2021 2 hours ago, Melanius Mullarkey said: You’ve been warned. Hide contents Good god 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wee Bully Posted September 6, 2021 Share Posted September 6, 2021 12 minutes ago, Left Back said: NRS publish stats on deaths in Scotland. As far as I’m aware they only publish it by week and not by day. https://www.nrscotland.gov.uk/files//statistics/weekly-monthly-births-deaths-data/2021/jul/weekly-july-21-tab2.xlsx Saying 150 deaths per day on average in Scotland is reasonable. Very useful, thank you. So, looking at that table, overall deaths were higher in the July in 2021 than 2020. As such, and going back to the whole point of the last page, without knowing case numbers there would be nothing to show that vaccines are having any impact whatsoever. I believe it was @oaksoft who claimed that deaths and hospitalisations were the only stats we needed to show that vaccines were working. This is patently incorrect, as those two data points would suggest the opposite 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Left Back Posted September 6, 2021 Share Posted September 6, 2021 17 minutes ago, Wee Bully said: Very useful, thank you. So, looking at that table, overall deaths were higher in the July in 2021 than 2020. As such, and going back to the whole point of the last page, without knowing case numbers there would be nothing to show that vaccines are having any impact whatsoever. I believe it was @oaksoft who claimed that deaths and hospitalisations were the only stats we needed to show that vaccines were working. This is patently incorrect, as those two data points would suggest the opposite I’d disagree simply because you’re using only 2 variables. A third variable (NPI’s such as indoor mixing) you’re completely ignoring NPI’s prevented deaths pre-vaccine. What other conclusion can you draw about vaccines when you factor in the NPI’s that were in place? If I wanted to pick specific data points to draw a conclusion I could say that mask wearing was made compulsory in early July last year so based on those same data points wearing masks has made things worse. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wee Bully Posted September 6, 2021 Share Posted September 6, 2021 6 minutes ago, oaksoft said: Deaths and hospitalisations as a direct result of covid. Please don't misrepresent my posts. I don’t need to. Were deaths and hospitalisations “as a direct result of COVID” higher in August 2020 or August 2021? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Les Cabbage Posted September 6, 2021 Share Posted September 6, 2021 24 minutes ago, Scotty Tunbridge said: Quote While the Government said it was not “planning a lockdown or firebreak around the October half term”, a spokesman added that it “retains contingency plans as part of responsible planning for a range of scenarios, but such measures would only be re-introduced as a last resort to prevent unsustainable pressure on the NHS.” PoliticsForAli posting clickbait discourse generating bullshit? Imagine my shock. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Detournement Posted September 7, 2021 Share Posted September 7, 2021 8 hours ago, Wee Bully said: Very useful, thank you. So, looking at that table, overall deaths were higher in the July in 2021 than 2020. As such, and going back to the whole point of the last page, without knowing case numbers there would be nothing to show that vaccines are having any impact whatsoever. I believe it was @oaksoft who claimed that deaths and hospitalisations were the only stats we needed to show that vaccines were working. This is patently incorrect, as those two data points would suggest the opposite Very much the Elephant in the room. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Todd_is_God Posted September 7, 2021 Share Posted September 7, 2021 8 hours ago, Wee Bully said: Were deaths and hospitalisations “as a direct result of COVID” higher in August 2020 or August 2021? Honestly, with the definitions of what a covid hospitalisation or death as they currently are, it's impossible to say with 100% certainty whether the answer to that question is yes or no. From a "course of the pandemic" point of view, or from the point of view of trying to show how well the vaccines work, being recorded as a hospitalisation because you test positive regardless of whether you are being treated for covid or even have any symptoms and "deaths from any cause within 28 days of a positive test" are not that useful statistics. It's something that continues to infuriate me about our journalists - they have bi-weekly opportunities to ask questions directly to NS, but all they seem to be interested in is "When can we get another lockdown?" 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheScarf Posted September 7, 2021 Share Posted September 7, 2021 That Jane Godley video has more dislikes than likes on YouTube. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergeant Wilson Posted September 7, 2021 Share Posted September 7, 2021 1 minute ago, TheScarf said: That Jane Godley video has more dislikes than likes on YouTube. It's what the policy makers and advisors think the masses will react to. The same reason Jason Leitch is the third member of the Off the Ball Team. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheScarf Posted September 7, 2021 Share Posted September 7, 2021 Just now, Tynierose said: "Don't forget to unsubscribe and hit that thumbs down button!" 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Todd_is_God Posted September 7, 2021 Share Posted September 7, 2021 Janey Godley's back catalogue of tweets is incredible tbh. Her hypocritical fans, of course, ignore this as she's "pyoor dead brilliant" for doing a few shite voiceovers. Hiring her for a Public Information advert is huge faux pas from the SG. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
well fan for life Posted September 7, 2021 Share Posted September 7, 2021 There's a case to be made that Janey Godley's voiceover videos and her popularity from them is the true nadir of society in this pandemic. 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wee Bully Posted September 7, 2021 Share Posted September 7, 2021 3 minutes ago, Todd_is_God said: Janey Godley's back catalogue of tweets is incredible tbh. Her hypocritical fans, of course, ignore this as she's "pyoor dead brilliant" for doing a few shite voiceovers. Hiring her for a Public Information advert is huge faux pas from the SG. Agreed - hiring someone with that history of tweets (and those terms) in a public health arena is criminal. Someone needs their arse kicked for that one. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael W Posted September 7, 2021 Share Posted September 7, 2021 A shame the tweet wasn't sent exclusively from Godley's personal account. Half this forum would never suffer the indignity of having to see it. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RiG Posted September 7, 2021 Share Posted September 7, 2021 Godley is spectacularly unfunny but are some of these historical tweets not meant to be photoshopped? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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