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[Left Back]

2 minutes ago, 101 said:

All our taxes other than income tax subside for example the English transport network which is devolved why shouldn't we get some cash back when we want and need it.

If we are a union of equals surely the treasury serves every part of the UK at their request. Instead and likely because the Government can't win the elections here we are passed over, we have already seen funding prioritised to new Conservative seats so this just follows the trend.

When you have the elected governments of the devolved nations and London calling for funding to support their 19 million of so residents then it's a pretty strong case imo.

No they don’t.  Again, see Barnett.  Even while UK gov are throwing huge amounts of money at TFL additional money is then granted to Scotland via Barnett.

It might serve them but that doesn’t mean UK gov and the UK pot pays for it.  I’m not going to repeat why this would be unfair and why you would be howling if the reverse scenario happened.

If Westminster allocates London additional funding then Scotland by default will get additional funding also.

[Left Back]

2 minutes ago, PWL said:

I stand corrected on HS2. 

It’s often misunderstood how UK government funding is allocated and what the impacts are.  Barnett may not be perfect and details could be argued about but in principle is fair.  Some things are contentious, like the Olympics.  UK gov said it was UK spending, the devolved administrations said it was English spending so they wanted a cut.  I’m not getting into a discussion about the details of it.
 

Basically though if UK gov decide to spend money in England they have to provide equivalent to be spent in the devolved administrations.  Those administrations can spend that money on whatever they like.

[101]

7 minutes ago, Left Back said:

No they don’t.  Again, see Barnett.  Even while UK gov are throwing huge amounts of money at TFL additional money is then granted to Scotland via Barnett.

It might serve them but that doesn’t mean UK gov and the UK pot pays for it.  I’m not going to repeat why this would be unfair and why you would be howling if the reverse scenario happened.

If Westminster allocates London additional funding then Scotland by default will get additional funding also.

That may be true for HS2 but of course the UKg money pumped into the now increasing unlikely Heathrow expansion didn't have Barnet implications.

And it's increasingly eroded as of course the "Department for Leveling Up" can't spend money across the UK without the devolved governments say so. So why not use some of this money to protect jobs?

[PWL]

1 minute ago, Left Back said:

It’s often misunderstood how UK government funding is allocated and what the impacts are.  Barnett may not be perfect and details could be argued about but in principle is fair.  Some things are contentious, like the Olympics.  UK gov said it was UK spending, the devolved administrations said it was English spending so they wanted a cut.  I’m not getting into a discussion about the details of it.
 

Basically though if UK gov decide to spend money in England they have to provide equivalent to be spent in the devolved administrations.  Those administrations can spend that money on whatever they like.

Unless it's the DUP £1bn bribe but that IS entering the realms of Tory bad......

[Left Back]

5 minutes ago, 101 said:

That may be true for HS2 but of course the UKg money pumped into the now increasing unlikely Heathrow expansion didn't have Barnet implications.

And it's increasingly eroded as of course the "Department for Leveling Up" can't spend money across the UK without the devolved governments say so. So why not use some of this money to protect jobs?

That’s an entirely different discussion.  That money has been budgeted for “levelling up”.   If Sturgeon wanted to bin levelling up and use that money for a different purpose then she should make that case.  That isn’t what she’s after though.  She wants her cake and eat it.  She basically is screaming for extra “free” money.

[Left Back]

6 minutes ago, PWL said:

Unless it's the DUP £1bn bribe but that IS entering the realms of Tory bad......

Absolutely agree there should have been Barnett consequentials for that and it was a Boris bribe.  Another example where the principle is ignored.

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Booster booked for Thursday, chances of feeling rotten on xmas eve/ xmas day but needs doing. Yes, I'm aware I'm a hero.

[10menwent2mow]

I got my booster yesterday and have felt utter shite today. Just aching all over. Hope it's just a day though. 

 

[101]

10 minutes ago, Left Back said:

If Sturgeon wanted to bin levelling up and use that money for a different purpose then she should make that case.  

Thats already been asked for.

 

11 minutes ago, Left Back said:

She basically is screaming for extra “free” money

Yes but caveated with if England need it they will get it, if the chancellor came out and said there will be no more Covid mitigation funding, then that would be the end of it. But quite simply the economy cannot function with statutory sick pay and the current test & protect/ test & trace systems shutting down business.

[Left Back]

1 minute ago, 101 said:

Thats already been asked for.

 

Yes but caveated with if England need it they will get it, if the chancellor came out and said there will be no more Covid mitigation funding, then that would be the end of it. But quite simply the economy cannot function with statutory sick pay and the current test & protect/ test & trace systems shutting down business.

Maybe she should have thought about that before pushing the nuclear panic button which is killing businesses and then firing healthy people into the Covid jail so they can’t go to work.

She deserves huge amounts of criticism for her recent actions which ultimately the tax payer will have to write the cheque for.  If she has to borrow cash from the UK to honour that cheque maybe she’ll start to be held accountable for her actions.  Asking for a free ride is not on though and sets a dangerous precedent.

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4 hours ago, PedroMoutinho said:

 

So her friend the nurse either facebook stalks her former patients or is make believe. 

[Thorongil]

1 hour ago, PWL said:

I stand corrected on HS2. 

Scotland is not getting anywhere close to a proportional Barnett consequential for HS2. Or Crossrail. 

And Scotland’s taxpayers will have to contribute to the maintenance and running costs of these things for eternity. 

Scotland didn’t get a Barnett consequential for the Olympics either. Yet the new Forth Crossing and the Commonwealth games received no subsidy from taxpayers in other parts of the UK. 

Edited December 20, 2021 by Thorongil

[Left Back]

16 minutes ago, Thorongil said:

Scotland is not getting anywhere close to a proportional Barnett consequential for HS2. Or Crossrail. 

And Scotland’s taxpayers will have to contribute to the maintenance and running costs of these things for eternity. 

Scotland didn’t get a Barnett consequential for the Olympics either. Yet the new Forth Crossing and the Commonwealth games received no subsidy from taxpayers in other parts of the UK. 

You do realise these were Scottish projects in devolved areas.?  Nothing to do with the UK.  Why on earth would the UK government fund them?

Last thing I’m saying on Barnett on this thread.  Was obvious it would get hijacked once this funding discussion started.

[Thorongil]

2 minutes ago, Left Back said:

You do realise these were Scottish projects in devolved areas.?  Nothing to do with the UK.  Why on earth would the UK government fund them?

Last thing I’m saying on Barnett on this thread.  Was obvious it would get hijacked once this funding discussion started.

There’s no point in replying to your question if it’s the last thing you’re saying.

[Left Back]

3 minutes ago, Thorongil said:

There’s no point in replying to your question if it’s the last thing you’re saying.

I’m all ears to hear your reply.  Will be funny.  I won’t respond because I know in advance you have no sensible reply.

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[Lyle Lanley]

11 hours ago, Todd_is_God said:

That was fucking glorious. 
 

Pub before the game was packed. Everyone enjoying theirselves not giving a f**k about any sort of rules. Jason and the SG will be absolutely raging at people enjoying theirselves in the local establishments around Hampden yesterday. 

[RH33]

8 hours ago, PWL said:

If you think they are funding this "new" money for devolved nations by taking it from the England only portion of the budget then I have a bridge to sell you. 

Does it take us to Northern Ireland?!

[Thorongil]

6 hours ago, Left Back said:

I’m all ears to hear your reply.  Will be funny.  I won’t respond because I know in advance you have no sensible reply.

Strange way to have any kind of conversation. I’ll pass.

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