vikingTON Posted September 4, 2020 Share Posted September 4, 2020 2 minutes ago, greenockraver said: dykes display seems to be divisive which should at least give him another shot surely? If Scotland need somebody to just run around a lot and put themselves about away to the likes of Italy for example then they could do worse. People are grading centre forward play against Israel at home by the exact same metrics though which is nonsensical. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacky1990 Posted September 4, 2020 Share Posted September 4, 2020 12 minutes ago, virginton said: Last time I checked the discussion was actually about whether Dykes had 'done his job' against Israel by playing as a centre forward and posing zero goal threat, not about whether Scotland had a less dung option to play in the same position this evening. Nice try at moving the goalposts though. The objective facts of the matter show that Dykes clearly didn't do his job as a centre forward because he didn't score, didn't come close to scoring, didn't create good chances for others to score and his team failed to get the required result as well. Against all of that, winning some high balls in relatively harmless areas of the park and recycling possession is ultimately meaningless. He was far from the only failure on the park but unlike the rest and for some bizarre reason you and many others seem to think that having this anti-Lewandowski figure dragging down your xG like a giant anchor at home to some muppet outfit is actually a good thing. In many ways you get the team that you deserve then. Its not shifting the goal posts. No one is suggesting Dykes is a world beater. But given the options available, he's the best we had tonight. Dykes is not the reason we didnt win tonight. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Todd_is_God Posted September 4, 2020 Share Posted September 4, 2020 Tbf you could have played Lewandowski up front tonight and he'd have done nothing with the service he got. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greenockraver Posted September 4, 2020 Share Posted September 4, 2020 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Jacky1990 said: Its not shifting the goal posts. No one is suggesting Dykes is a world beater. But given the options available, he's the best we had tonight. Dykes is not the reason we didnt win tonight. we didnt win because israel are a better team than us. its a hard one to swallow. we were lucky to get a point it didnt help that we kept passing it backwards though Edited September 4, 2020 by greenockraver 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobbieD Posted September 4, 2020 Share Posted September 4, 2020 Monday’s game is off. thank god 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charger29 Posted September 4, 2020 Share Posted September 4, 2020 You say this like it matters. I can't see us qualifying for a WC again tbh. Not in its current format. The extended Euros is our only realistic shout.I'd rather remain hopeful.It won't be easy but our slim hopes rely on staying in pot #3. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Todd_is_God Posted September 4, 2020 Share Posted September 4, 2020 Just now, charger29 said: I'd rather remain hopeful. It won't be easy but our slim hopes rely on staying in pot #3. Oh I always remain hopeful. But we usually f**k it up nice and early 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Todd_is_God Posted September 4, 2020 Share Posted September 4, 2020 7 minutes ago, RobbieD said: Monday’s game is off. thank god what does this mean? Is it a 3-0 job, or rescheduled? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theroadlesstravelled Posted September 4, 2020 Share Posted September 4, 2020 We were Alex Totten all over the park. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Distant Doonhamer Posted September 4, 2020 Share Posted September 4, 2020 Monday’s game is off. thank godShould probably award us a 3-0 victory (Dykes treble). Manky Czech b*****ds. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunning1874 Posted September 4, 2020 Share Posted September 4, 2020 1 hour ago, Todd_is_God said: They ran a giveaway for a watch at home pack, contents shown below. You better wait until that's lukewarm then charge yourself £3.90 for it. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DukDukGoose Posted September 4, 2020 Share Posted September 4, 2020 I don't see much wrong with the system. The selection was all wrong. You need fast wingers to get in behind. That's not Christie McGinnp or Forrest's game. Armstrong wide right with a fast option at left wing to get on the end of Tierneys balls over the top could work. One of Jack or McGregor alongside McTominay or McGinn would have been fine. Gallagher, Cooper or Palmer in the RCB role. Dykes was very good. It's not his fault if his nearest supporting team mate is thirty yards away. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vikingTON Posted September 4, 2020 Share Posted September 4, 2020 18 minutes ago, Jacky1990 said: Its not shifting the goal posts. No one is suggesting Dykes is a world beater. But given the options available, he's the best we had tonight. Dykes is not the reason we didnt win tonight. People are suggesting that Dykes did a good job as a centre forward in a game though when he didn't. Not having a single credible centre forward on the park was in fact a chief reason why Scotland failed to score against a fellow jobber outfit from open play and dropped points to them at home. Whether Dykes was playing at 100% or 50% of his ability is irrelevant to that fact-based analysis: this is getting into the realms of 'but... he tried really hard!' special pleading now. 18 minutes ago, Todd_is_God said: Tbf you could have played Lewandowski up front tonight and he'd have done nothing with the service he got. No he'd still have got a hat-trick no bother. A good centre forward creates the opportunity for decent service at least as much as he receives it. Put garbage in instead and you'll get garbage out. -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qos_75 Posted September 4, 2020 Share Posted September 4, 2020 2 minutes ago, virginton said: If Scotland need somebody to just run around a lot and put themselves about away to the likes of Italy for example then they could do worse. People are grading centre forward play against Israel at home by the exact same metrics though which is nonsensical. Its not as if he was keeping better options out of the side though. Given the forwards in the squad he was the obvious choice to start tonight. Can you really blame him for not scoring when we created f**k all? We were far too slow in the build up and as a result had to try and find space to pass through a narrow and compact team. Even when we did get the ball out wide the likes of McGinn, Forrest and Macgregor couldn’t get a cross in. They were either too slow to make the decision (and subsequently closed down) or they struggled to get the ball off the ground. Dykes isn’t the next Ronaldo, but the problem wasn’t with him tonight. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Rscot Posted September 4, 2020 Share Posted September 4, 2020 4 minutes ago, virginton said: People are suggesting that Dykes did a good job as a centre forward in a game though when he didn't. Not having a single credible centre forward on the park was in fact a chief reason why Scotland failed to score against a fellow jobber outfit from open play and dropped points to them at home. Whether Dykes was playing at 100% or 50% of his ability is irrelevant to that fact-based analysis: this is getting into the realms of 'but... he tried really hard!' special pleading now. No he'd still have got a hat-trick no bother. A good centre forward creates the opportunity for decent service at least as much as he receives it. Put garbage in instead and you'll get garbage out. Lol 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
resk Posted September 4, 2020 Share Posted September 4, 2020 Aye, we should have picked someone who was going to score a hat trick. Great idea TBF. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kykudi Posted September 4, 2020 Share Posted September 4, 2020 We’ll do naff all until we appoint a manager who actually has a go at teams. Robertson doing his usual and completely shitting the bed for Scotland. His inability to stop a cross is pitiful. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunning1874 Posted September 4, 2020 Share Posted September 4, 2020 (edited) Clarke had found a system that worked already with 4-2-3-1/4-5-1. You shouldn't be dogmatic about formations and players can shift throughout games but there's the outline of a shape there that works with players knowing what they're doing. I really don't understand launching the whole thing in the bin to accommodate a defender who didn't even need a change of system to slot into the team. With the squad for these games, I think this is the obvious to the point of being indisputable shape with only a few players up for debate: Dykes Christie - McGinn - Forrest/Armstrong McTominay - Armstrong (others) Robertson - Tierney - McKenna/Cooper- Palmer/Tierney You either sit Armstrong beside McTominay, or you put him in the attacking midfield three at the expense of Forrest with any one of McGregor, Jack and Fleck sitting beside McTominay instead. Tierney is a good enough defender that he has to play, but that also means he's a good enough defender that you can slot him into the back four that actually fucking works at either centre back or right back, rather than overhauling your entire system to accomodate him in a back three and turning your midfield into a shapeless mess, making the right side of your defence a yawning chasm and magically turning one of the best left backs in the world into the worst player on the park. Personally I'd put him at centre back but if right back is preferred then fine, McKenna and Cooper are the centre backs with Palmer dropping out. That's the shape, it's the shape Clarke was winning games and starting to get passable performances with, persist with it and fit the players into it rather than overhauling the whole thing to cram a left back and midfielder into the team at centre back. Edited September 5, 2020 by Dunning1874 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qos_75 Posted September 4, 2020 Share Posted September 4, 2020 1 hour ago, Todd_is_God said: They ran a giveaway for a watch at home pack, contents shown below. Clarke’s tactics board has been found then. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qos_75 Posted September 4, 2020 Share Posted September 4, 2020 (edited) Good news we won’t lose on Monday. The game has been called off https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/54036595 Edited September 4, 2020 by qos_75 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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