Yorky Posted June 13, 2020 Share Posted June 13, 2020 24 minutes ago, Zing. said: Big bad Les has released a statement via Jambos Kickback From: Leslie Deans Date: 13 June 2020 at 20:37:49 BST To: Cc: Subject: Football reconstruction We've now reached D-Day for Scottish football. Will our clubs elect for a new dawn and reconstruction to 14-10-10-10 where no club suffers major harm and damage or do they reject the opportunity before them? And if more than 21 of our 42 clubs give the SPFL Board's proposal a positive response, will the board use the executive powers it possesses to impose reconstruction? Neil Doncaster said on Sky TV as recently as last Friday that the board could not go against the will of the majority of the clubs. An imposed Reconstruction would prove he spoke with honesty and integrity. Partick Thistle's excellent statement on June 13 calls for clubs to come together and cause no lasting harm. The alternative is the litigation which Hearts , and perhaps others, will have to pursue. I believe the already strong case is strengthened by the restraint of trade principle and recent decisions in France and Belgium. The SPFL board should consider the damage this litigation could cause. Firstly, as someone who's been in the legal profession for 45 years, I can assure them it could be months or years before any case is finally settled. The legal process can be slow and the courts are, like us all, affected by the lockdown. Secondly, Hearts could seek interdict to prevent the league starting. Whilst there's no guarantee the court would grant this, if they did,would the Sky TV deal be adversely affected.? How would clubs entering European competitions be affected? No competitive matches before European games? Would UEFA suspend the participation of Scottish clubs until the Proceedings were completed? And if Hearts ask the court to ring fence £8 million to cover potential damages and costs,how would a club who voted yes feel when their payment from SPFL was drastically reduced? How do they tell their manager that his already meagre budget was being reduced? And how would they react to a board who had the power to avoid all this yet refused to exercise it? Would they seek to impose personal financial liability on each board director for wilful neglect of their corporate responsibility? Company law normally gives directors protection for losses of the company. This protection may not be available however if a director has acted wilfully and negligently to the obvious detriment of the company , in failing to avoid an obvious loss. And what might James Anderson think of Scottish football putting self interest and vindictive insularity before the greater good, when even the SPFL rules oblige clubs to act" in the utmost good faith" to each other. ? We should never have been here in the first place. Responsibility for that lies with a board who failed to find a suitable solution when lockdown came. They have an opportunity to remedy their mistake. If enough clubs refuse to do the right and honourable thing, then the board must do so. Leslie Deans. I really think that’s an unwise statement at this point, I can’t see how there is any benefit. It just reads as more threats if things don’t go Hearts way. I know he has no connection to Hearts these days but many will still see that connection. Again you can’t on the one hand state all we want is what’s best for Scottish football then state this is what damage we may do if we don’t get what we want. All that’s going to do is actually firm up opinion against the reconstruction. In my opinion Hearts should never have mentioned any legal challenge in the first place, still think that was a huge mistake and I honestly think it’s cost them and the other effected clubs. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Ric Posted June 13, 2020 Share Posted June 13, 2020 Just now, Yorky said: I really think that’s an unwise statement at this point... It'll be picked up by the journos for the Sundays, something I've no doubt Deans will make sure of. The statement has 3 main purposes. One is attention seeking, the second is to curry favour both for and from successful businesswoman Ann Budge and finally, three - and probably the most cogent reason for it's writing - trying to put pressure on clubs to vote for reconstruction. I mean it could also just be that he's been at the vino and with no houses to deal with he's used up his spare time to concoct this join the dots flight of madness. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilbur Posted June 13, 2020 Share Posted June 13, 2020 Is this to be taken as a direct threat from Hearts to the 41 clubs or is Deans farting this out without Budge's go-ahead ? If this is official, Hearts don't dare back down from court action after the vote goes against them on Monday. Such aggression will have made enemies at the very time when Hearts need friends. Gloves off indeed. Let's see if James Anderson is prepared to dig deep into his pockets to rescue Hearts from their next bankruptcy. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. X Posted June 13, 2020 Share Posted June 13, 2020 Building up nicely for the endgame. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FTOF Posted June 13, 2020 Share Posted June 13, 2020 (edited) 57 minutes ago, Zing. said: We should never have been here in the first place. Really Lesley. Yes. Yes you should. You were fucking shite for the entire season. Get doon. Edited June 13, 2020 by FTOF 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
big al Posted June 13, 2020 Share Posted June 13, 2020 What a dick Deans is. Bangs on about doing the right thing and no club suffering, then threatens to destroy the season and everyone’s budgets in court. 2 finger salute to that pish. Get doon 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flood Posted June 13, 2020 Share Posted June 13, 2020 Just now, Mr. X said: Building up nicely for the endgame. Hearts take SPFL to court SFA throw hearts out of SPFL and Scottish cup SPFL declare bankruptcy, fast track new company called the the SPFL play 2020/21 with 41 new shareholders No more hearts. Nice 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lofarl Posted June 13, 2020 Share Posted June 13, 2020 52 minutes ago, Zing. said: Big bad Les has released a statement via Jambos Kickback From: Leslie Deans Date: 13 June 2020 at 20:37:49 BST To: Cc: Subject: Football reconstruction We've now reached D-Day for Scottish football. Will our clubs elect for a new dawn and reconstruction to 14-10-10-10 where no club suffers major harm and damage or do they reject the opportunity before them? And if more than 21 of our 42 clubs give the SPFL Board's proposal a positive response, will the board use the executive powers it possesses to impose reconstruction? Neil Doncaster said on Sky TV as recently as last Friday that the board could not go against the will of the majority of the clubs. An imposed Reconstruction would prove he spoke with honesty and integrity. Partick Thistle's excellent statement on June 13 calls for clubs to come together and cause no lasting harm. The alternative is the litigation which Hearts , and perhaps others, will have to pursue. I believe the already strong case is strengthened by the restraint of trade principle and recent decisions in France and Belgium. The SPFL board should consider the damage this litigation could cause. Firstly, as someone who's been in the legal profession for 45 years, I can assure them it could be months or years before any case is finally settled. The legal process can be slow and the courts are, like us all, affected by the lockdown. Secondly, Hearts could seek interdict to prevent the league starting. Whilst there's no guarantee the court would grant this, if they did,would the Sky TV deal be adversely affected.? How would clubs entering European competitions be affected? No competitive matches before European games? Would UEFA suspend the participation of Scottish clubs until the Proceedings were completed? And if Hearts ask the court to ring fence £8 million to cover potential damages and costs,how would a club who voted yes feel when their payment from SPFL was drastically reduced? How do they tell their manager that his already meagre budget was being reduced? And how would they react to a board who had the power to avoid all this yet refused to exercise it? Would they seek to impose personal financial liability on each board director for wilful neglect of their corporate responsibility? Company law normally gives directors protection for losses of the company. This protection may not be available however if a director has acted wilfully and negligently to the obvious detriment of the company , in failing to avoid an obvious loss. And what might James Anderson think of Scottish football putting self interest and vindictive insularity before the greater good, when even the SPFL rules oblige clubs to act" in the utmost good faith" to each other. ? We should never have been here in the first place. Responsibility for that lies with a board who failed to find a suitable solution when lockdown came. They have an opportunity to remedy their mistake. If enough clubs refuse to do the right and honourable thing, then the board must do so. Leslie Deans. The SPFL's response to Leslie here: 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyclizine Posted June 13, 2020 Share Posted June 13, 2020 50 minutes ago, craigkillie said: "Would UEFA suspend the participation of Scottish clubs until the proceedings were completed?" is like one of those newspaper clickbait headlines where they write 800 words only for the answer to be "No". Betteridge's Law of Headlines 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
itzdrk Posted June 13, 2020 Share Posted June 13, 2020 Derranged ramblings from Deans there. Must have phoned someone up steaming and dictated it for them to type. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. X Posted June 13, 2020 Share Posted June 13, 2020 4 minutes ago, flood said: Hearts take SPFL to court SFA throw hearts out of SPFL and Scottish cup SPFL declare bankruptcy, fast track new company called the the SPFL play 2020/21 with 41 new shareholders No more hearts. Nice This isn't Kilmarnock or St. Mirren we're talking about, this is Heart of Midlothian. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ric Posted June 13, 2020 Share Posted June 13, 2020 I don't think people realise just the stature that Deans has within the community.. Spoiler 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djchapsticks Posted June 13, 2020 Share Posted June 13, 2020 Edinburgh's best dressed speed bump. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billy Jean King Posted June 13, 2020 Share Posted June 13, 2020 Is this Leslie Deans the alleged Money Launderer (I know insufficient evidence etc etc). Legal eagle right enough ! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Junior Pub League Posted June 13, 2020 Share Posted June 13, 2020 5 minutes ago, Mr. X said: This isn't Kilmarnock or St. Mirren we're talking about, this is Heart of Midlothian. Aye we know its not Kilmarnock or St Mirren as they'll be in the top flight next season. Enjoy The Wreck, enjoy Gayfield, enjoy Budge driving you further into the gutter. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim McLean's Ghost Posted June 13, 2020 Share Posted June 13, 2020 2 hours ago, ropy said: Would everyone agree with a 12 12 10 10 set up. It ticks most of the boxes. Probably. Thistle fans should be asking their board why they haven't put this forward. It is time to abandon Hearts sinking ship. It solves the problem for all the Prem clubs, Thistle, Stranraer, Kelty and Brora. Bumps up Falkirk and Edinburgh City too. It would take a minimal amount of money prizemoney changes. And best of all - the only club that get bumped are Hearts. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pet Jeden Posted June 13, 2020 Share Posted June 13, 2020 2 hours ago, itzdrk said: Partick Thistle are happy to shaft other clubs when it suits them. Is that why Ayr voted the way they did? Ian McColl? Call the leagues and miss out on a possible play-off place? I did wonder a few months back, but thought nah. Too petty. Don't even mention it. Sssake 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergeant Wilson Posted June 13, 2020 Share Posted June 13, 2020 7 minutes ago, Ric said: I don't think people realise just the stature that Deans has within the community.. Hide contents 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim McLean's Ghost Posted June 13, 2020 Share Posted June 13, 2020 The way Hearts keep bumping up their compo number it seems like even if Thistle are awarded money they will make a loss overall because they owe 1/42 share of an infinity amount of damages to Queen Anne. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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