SEETHING Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 Taking a step away from firing off zingers at P&B nincompoops for a second: it may be a mistake for enemies of justice to delight in arbitration apparently being a home tie for the SPFL. ...so there shouldn't be any blazers on the panel. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacksgranda Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 1 minute ago, Wilbur said: Aye but, at the same time, your heart just bleeds for wee Ann and her minder Leslie D. I would hate to see them humiliated much more. FTFY 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alert Mongoose Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 45 minutes ago, SEETHING said: "WHUT UR YE GOIN TAE COURT WI" 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poet of the Macabre Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 Remember when SEETHING said that Hearts’ legal eagles had this incredible legal case? Oops. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SEETHING Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 1 minute ago, aDONisSheep said: Arbitration will be a bit like an informal court (which is why it needs proper legal representation). As I understand it, it's not a negotiation at this time (that's more mediation), it's just a re-hash of the original arguments but with an 'impartial' arbiter making a ruling. What I'm not sure about is whether or not one of the parties can go back to court if they don't like the arbiters decision. Some seem to suggest they can only go back to court if arbitration has been conducted in an erroneous or impartial way. Yours, not in the slightest bit a legal eagle. aDONis That's pretty much it. The default position is that there's a right of appeal (so back to the Court of Session) in the event of a legal error (which, if the result goes against Hearts/Thistle, there inevitably will be). -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aim Here Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 1 minute ago, SEETHING said: Taking a step away from firing off zingers at P&B nincompoops for a second: it may be a mistake for enemies of justice to delight in arbitration apparently being a home tie for the SPFL. ...so there shouldn't be any blazers on the panel. It's the legal profession. It's blazers all the way down. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacksgranda Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 1 minute ago, aDONisSheep said: Arbitration will be a bit like an informal court (which is why it needs proper legal representation). As I understand it, it's not a negotiation at this time (that's more mediation), it's just a re-hash of the original arguments but with an 'impartial' arbiter making a ruling. What I'm not sure about is whether or not one of the parties can go back to court if they don't like the arbiters decision. Some seem to suggest they can only go back to court if arbitration has been conducted in an erroneous or impartial way. Yours, not in the slightest bit a legal eagle. aDONis I think they can only do that on a point of law. @Ad Lib will keep us right. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stag Nation Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 7 minutes ago, Billy Jean King said: 10 minutes ago, Aladdin said: There will be an outcome as it is arbitration as opposed to mediation. As someone else has said, there is only limited circumstances in which an outcome from arbitration can be challenged. So SFA can impose a solution as opposed to Hearts and Thistle having to agree ? The independent arbitration panel impose the solution., which is final and binding. The whole process is subject to the Arbitration (Scotland) Act 2010. An appeal to the courts is only possible if the process is not followed correctly, or a point of law is in dispute. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EdinburghPar1975 Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 7 minutes ago, bennett said: Hopefully you're right. I saw reports that the judge had left it open for a return to court if arbitration failed. I've probably misunderstood but i think it only goes back to the court for further 'action' if Hearts and Partick think it's not been correctly dealt with - is that correct? Also, what's to stop the SPFL/ SFA placing a sanction that says that if Hearts/ Partick wish to go back to court after arbitration they can but that they would then need to forego their places in the 2020/21 season as it will be starting as planned? Still think it'll be a slap on the wrists and a suspended points action at the end of all this... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poet of the Macabre Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 Long story short; the lawyers knew there wasn’t a serious case but happily took the money being offered. The courts look at the detail for a couple of days, realised it was a lot of nonsense and told them to go and deal with it yourselves. Somehow a bigger waste of money than hiring Neilson or Craig Gordon’s ghost. 9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim McLean's Ghost Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 3 minutes ago, SEETHING said: Taking a step away from firing off zingers at P&B nincompoops for a second: it may be a mistake for enemies of justice to delight in arbitration apparently being a home tie for the SPFL. ...so there shouldn't be any blazers on the panel. If SFA arbitration was bad for the SPFL then why did they stand up in court and argue for it? You are forgetting that Hearts and Thistle haven't got a leg to stand on. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SEETHING Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 1 minute ago, Jim McLean's Ghost said: If SFA arbitration was bad for the SPFL then why did they stand up in court and argue for it? You are forgetting that Hearts and Thistle haven't got a leg to stand on. Anything to delay their inevitable defeat for a few more weeks imo. I've already covered the second point; keep up please. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bose Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 Have our resident moonhowlers gone back to kickback to get their new trolling orders? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snifter Pee Rot Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 If Budge refuses any arbitration decision at the SFA I assume that means immediate league suspension. Kick the Gorgie barstewards out Rod! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeeTillEhDeh Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 Disappointed to discover that Lord Clark was presumably unaware of the legally insightful postings from St Mirren and Dundee fans (and a St Johnstone fan's Mrs) on Pie and Bovril dot com. We said it would got to arbitration you fanny. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dons_1988 Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 Another question for the experts, does the basis for arbitration differ in anyway from the court of session? I.e. is this now more of a footballing matter rather than Companies Act, for example (I really have no idea, so apologies if a stupid question). 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savage Henry Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 (edited) I think it’s fair to say that now that they are officially down, Hearts may never come back up again. Edited July 3, 2020 by Savage Henry 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Szamo's_Ammo Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 3 minutes ago, Snifter Pee Rot said: If Budge refuses any arbitration decision at the SFA I assume that means immediate league suspension. Kick the Gorgie barstewards out Rod! The SFA will clean her clock imo. 15 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheGreenElves Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 22 minutes ago, Aladdin said: No award of expenses to United et al but Heart have got to pay 50% of SPFL's expenses. 22 minutes ago, die hard doonhamer said: Hearts and Thistle have to pay half of the SPFL's legal costs for the hearing. You got a link for confirmation of that? I know a few jambos that will be delighted to know this 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raphael Posted July 3, 2020 Share Posted July 3, 2020 Just now, Savage Henry said: I think it’s fair to say that now that they are offficially down, Hearts may never come back up again. I'm all for banter mate but you can't seriously believe that? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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