League Reconstruction 20/21 season

[craigkillie]

7 hours ago, bdu98196 said:

In a country where there is a struggle for almost all 42 senior teams to survive, if any reconstruction occurs it should reduce the number of league places - maybe unpopular but its unlikely we will have 42 clubs still in existence at the end of this anyways. The idea that the number of clubs is increased is lunacy and a further drain on already limited resources - both in terms of fans and money.

Come next season, there will in fact be nearly 200 senior teams in Scotland. Rearranging them all into a different number of divisions will make very little difference in terms of resources.

[Sergeant Wilson]

13 hours ago, virginton said:

Let's operate on the time-established 'last in, first out' principle then and chuck all the teuchter bumpkin outfits like yours back to the Highland League where they belong.

He forgot the Highland League is senior already as well.

[Paisley Ton]

21 hours ago, Frank Grimes said:

Can’t decide what would be funnier

The heads gone from sellick at a null and void season

Or a heads gone from Sevco at giving the title to sellick 

Rangers heads went on winter break.

While we all have our own alegencies Celtic and Dundee Unt are a distance in front so maybe deserve the award.

We all know United bought the championship this year let's hope lenders put in place guarantees and securities against advances unlike Rangers (1873 )

[ahemps]

57 minutes ago, Paisley Ton said:

We all know United bought the championship this year let's hope lenders put in place guarantees and securities against advances unlike Rangers (1873 )

Does every team not buy the title these days? 

If you get a league table of wages paid it nearly always lines up with actual league tables, only when the values are close to each other do you see any variation. 

Any form of league reconstruction should be distributing the wealth, it is the only way you will ever get actual competition.

[Sinner-to-Saint]

I was reading about how the Belgian league operates:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belgian_First_Division_A

 

[Oldbuddy2]

17 hours ago, ropy said:

If the season can restart before this time next year then let’s do it, everybody plays their last opponent as a pre-season friendly then straight into it.

Clubs cannot sustain no professional  football until this time next year, players will have left after contract expiration in June and clubs will have no money to survive never mind affording player replacements.  

[LIVIFOREVER]

3 hours ago, ahemps said:

Does every team not buy the title these days? 

If you get a league table of wages paid it nearly always lines up with actual league tables, only when the values are close to each other do you see any variation. 

Any form of league reconstruction should be distributing the wealth, it is the only way you will ever get actual competition.

Don't think St Mirren bought their title a couple of seasons back, and Livi def didn't buy our promotion through the play offs, or Leicester when they won the Premiership. Motherwell, Livi & Hearts kinda go against what you are saying this season too. The 'nearly always' gives you  a get out clause though.

[DA Baracus]

'Nearly always' isn't a get out. You're quoting some examples of exceptions, but take a look at the winners over even the past 5 or so years and the teams with the largest budget almost always win. 

Of course there are always exceptions but they are very much the minority.

[hollerman]

3 hours ago, ahemps said:

Does every team not buy the title these days? 

If you get a league table of wages paid it nearly always lines up with actual league tables, only when the values are close to each other do you see any variation. 

Any form of league reconstruction should be distributing the wealth, it is the only way you will ever get actual competition.

Where did these figures come from? A similar list I saw last year (unfortunately , I don't know the source !) had very different figures in some instances, e.g Hamilton on higher average salaries than Livingston, St Mirren and Motherwell. 

[ahemps]

23 minutes ago, LIVIFOREVER said:

Don't think St Mirren bought their title a couple of seasons back, and Livi def didn't buy our promotion through the play offs, or Leicester when they won the Premiership. Motherwell, Livi & Hearts kinda go against what you are saying this season too. The 'nearly always' gives you  a get out clause though.

Well played to Livi and St Mirren but what was the gap between them and the others in that league?

Of course there will be some exceptions, Hearts and Livi this year but the gap between these teams is roughly 3x the budget which may be similar to Leicesters in comparison to the big 6 in England, maybe, that's a rough guess. I am comfortable whit that level of disparity as it can still be competitive. Over a 10yr period Hearts will finish above Livi most of the time but we can see periods where these teams can compete against bigger sides. Killie finishing 3rd etc. is a great achievement.

But where you have 1 or 2 teams that have 6-22 times the budget of the rest in the league it becomes a non event.

 

[ahemps]

1 minute ago, hollerman said:

Where did these figures come from? A similar list I saw last year (unfortunately , I don't know the source !) had very different figures in some instances, e.g Hamilton on higher average salaries than Livingston, St Mirren and Motherwell. 

Here is the link. It was done via a google search.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/547202/average-annual-first-team-player-salaray-football-clubs-scottish-premiership/

There is one from the Scotsman that shows slightly different figures

https://www.scotsman.com/sport/football/hibs/latest-hibs-news/average-wage-paid-scottish-premiership-clubs-ranked-order-95810

 

 

[Sergeant Wilson]

1 hour ago, LIVIFOREVER said:

Don't think St Mirren bought their title a couple of seasons back, and Livi def didn't buy our promotion through the play offs, or Leicester when they won the Premiership. Motherwell, Livi & Hearts kinda go against what you are saying this season too. The 'nearly always' gives you  a get out clause though.

Livingston are a League 1 team artificially supported by external revenue from dubious sources. They should be been kicked out years ago.

[btb]

20 minutes ago, ahemps said:

Here is the link. It was done via a google search.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/547202/average-annual-first-team-player-salaray-football-clubs-scottish-premiership/

There is one from the Scotsman that shows slightly different figures

https://www.scotsman.com/sport/football/hibs/latest-hibs-news/average-wage-paid-scottish-premiership-clubs-ranked-order-95810

 

 

The article in the Daily Record (published 6 Jan - mid season filler article) contained the caveat that the figures were an "estimate". While these articles are interesting for a forum detour I wouldn't be betting the mortgage on them being spot on.

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/rangers-close-gap-celtic-wage-21225252

[Troy.1995]

51 minutes ago, Sergeant Wilson said:

Livingston are a League 1 team artificially supported by external revenue from dubious sources. They should be been kicked out years ago.

So sorry,we are still here.Youl get used to it.Hows your team doing just out of interest.Or is that a sore point with you.Weve been used to this drivel for years.Never ceases to amuse.

 

[Sergeant Wilson]

3 minutes ago, Troy.1995 said:

So sorry,we are still here.Youl get used to it.Hows your team doing just out of interest.Or is that a sore point with you.Weve been used to this drivel for years.Never ceases to amuse.

 

Shotts? Fair to middling, looking forward to the new set up.

[Troy.1995]

Fair point.For what its worth ive a wee admiration for the Juniors. Weve benefited from those ranks. Pittman etc.Not sure if a new set up will benefit us tbh.We will will always be a small fish in a big pond punching well above our weight.At this time there are more important things to worry about.Keep supporting your team as i will through thick and thin. 

 

[LIVIFOREVER]

13 hours ago, Sergeant Wilson said:

Livingston are a League 1 team artificially supported by external revenue from dubious sources. They should be been kicked out years ago.

Yeah you've always had a chip on your shoulder about Livi, and in the past you've had a point, you're talking mince now though.

[btb]

17 hours ago, Troy.1995 said:

Fair point.For what its worth ive a wee admiration for the Juniors. Weve benefited from those ranks. Pittman etc.Not sure if a new set up will benefit us tbh.We will will always be a small fish in a big pond punching well above our weight.At this time there are more important things to worry about.Keep supporting your team as i will through thick and thin. 

 

How much of your current "punching well above our weight" is down to the fortuitous/shrewd decision to install a plastic pitch after getting promoted?

[Troy.1995]

The decision to install our plastic pitch was indeed fortuious and shrewd as you say.Though on the other hand necessity would be the key word here.Honestly cant remember the last time we had a game called of due to adverse weather conditions. That in itself in this current financial climate has meant we have been able to keep our heads above water, which wouldnt have been the case a few years ago with the bog standard pitches weve had.Yes we have a slight advantage but its not our fault opposing players cant adapt,when most train on it day in day out.

[RandomGuy.]

6 minutes ago, Troy.1995 said:

The decision to install our plastic pitch was indeed fortuious and shrewd as you say.Though on the other hand necessity would be the key word here.Honestly cant remember the last time we had a game called of due to adverse weather conditions. That in itself in this current financial climate has meant we have been able to keep our heads above water, which wouldnt have been the case a few years ago with the bog standard pitches weve had.Yes we have a slight advantage but its not our fault opposing players cant adapt,when most train on it day in day out.

Dundee and St Mirren fans used to say our success was only because we "lucked out" on getting a huge bit of land for a new stadium, and the stadium built, for nothing. 

Jealousy is an incredible thing.