Gaz Posted August 30, 2020 Share Posted August 30, 2020 2 minutes ago, Granny Danger said: It’s not a minor point, it’s a very important part of the narrative and I was totally unaware that it was false. I appreciate you correcting me. It's also worth pointing out that 20 witness testified that he jumped the barrier, a claim that was subsequently found to be incorrect via CCTV which confirms he didn't. Quite why those 20 bootlickers were content to contribute to the framing of an innocent man instead of telling the truth is a mystery. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silvio Tattiescone Posted August 30, 2020 Share Posted August 30, 2020 30 minutes ago, welshbairn said: Seems the FBI use different definitions of who counts as a law enforcement officer, this one counts it as 687000 and rising in 2018. The problem is there are so many separate policing bodies in the US. And the population figure I get is 328 million, so actually one cop for 477 people. But then they have another 450,000 in the National Guard to back them up, which would give a figure of one cop for every 288 citizens. https://www.statista.com/statistics/191694/number-of-law-enforcement-officers-in-the-us/ Aye it varies but you can't use the National Guard in the figures if we're talking about day to day policing. The FBI resource I saw didn't cover all areas, hence the lower population count but it's reasonable to assume that the other 78 million are policed at the same rate. So the picture is of a significantly smaller police force working in a far more violent society - their murder rate of 5.3 per 100,000 compares with 0.9 in Scotland. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silvio Tattiescone Posted August 30, 2020 Share Posted August 30, 2020 6 minutes ago, Gaz said: It's also worth pointing out that 20 witness testified that he jumped the barrier, a claim that was subsequently found to be incorrect via CCTV which confirms he didn't. Quite why those 20 bootlickers were content to contribute to the framing of an innocent man instead of telling the truth is a mystery. IIRC witnesses were remembering seeing one of the plain clothes police officers who was wearing a padded jacket when he jumped the turnstile. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaz Posted August 30, 2020 Share Posted August 30, 2020 1 minute ago, NewBornBairn said: IIRC witnesses were remembering seeing one of the plain clothes police officers who was wearing a padded jacket when he jumped the turnstile. That didn't come out until later. At the time, witnesses who knew what de Menezes looked like (thanks to photos on the news etc.) swore blind it was him they'd seen jumping the turnstyle. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted August 30, 2020 Share Posted August 30, 2020 (edited) 12 minutes ago, Gaz said: That didn't come out until later. At the time, witnesses who knew what de Menezes looked like (thanks to photos on the news etc.) swore blind it was him they'd seen jumping the turnstyle. Eye witnesses are notoriously unreliable, especially if they heard media reports of what was supposed to have happened. Stick them in separate rooms immediately after an incident and they'd still come up with different narratives. Edited August 30, 2020 by welshbairn 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Connolly Posted August 30, 2020 Share Posted August 30, 2020 Just now, welshbairn said: Eye witnesses are notoriously unreliable, especially if they heard media reports of what was supposed to have happened. I heard welshbairn say eyewitness reports are always spot on. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sinner-to-Saint Posted August 30, 2020 Share Posted August 30, 2020 This is an excellent analysis of the Rittenhouse affair: 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stellaboz Posted August 30, 2020 Share Posted August 30, 2020 Your signature should say Snake Mountain, not Castle Greyskull. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted August 30, 2020 Share Posted August 30, 2020 I was a witness in an attempted robbery with a knife that I got involved in stopping, thankfully he ran away, and was called up for an ID parade. Wasn't like on the telly, stood on top of the Brixton Tube Station escalator and I was supposed to pick him out from random commuters coming up, which I did. The cop asked me how I recognised him, said he looked like he'd spent a couple of nights in the cells. "For f**k sake, don't say that in court" was his comment. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Detournement Posted August 30, 2020 Share Posted August 30, 2020 26 minutes ago, NewBornBairn said: Aye it varies but you can't use the National Guard in the figures if we're talking about day to day policing. The FBI resource I saw didn't cover all areas, hence the lower population count but it's reasonable to assume that the other 78 million are policed at the same rate. So the picture is of a significantly smaller police force working in a far more violent society - their murder rate of 5.3 per 100,000 compares with 0.9 in Scotland. You can't compare murder rates in the western hemisphere to Europe. Hundreds of years of genocide and slavery have a continuing impact. -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sinner-to-Saint Posted August 30, 2020 Share Posted August 30, 2020 8 minutes ago, Stellaboz said: Your signature should say Snake Mountain, not Castle Greyskull. Nah, it's Castle Greyskull. That's what it's been known as for years, and even the BBC weather lady called it that. Aye, I know it was He-Man's abode, but it's been known as that for years now. -2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Connolly Posted August 30, 2020 Share Posted August 30, 2020 18 minutes ago, Sinner-to-Saint said: This is an excellent analysis of the Rittenhouse affair: He wasn't allowed a short barrelled rifle or shotgun under the law, but it was fine for him to have a semi-automatic rifle. Utterly fucking mental 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silvio Tattiescone Posted August 30, 2020 Share Posted August 30, 2020 15 minutes ago, Detournement said: You can't compare murder rates in the western hemisphere to Europe. Hundreds of years of genocide and slavery have a continuing impact. Ummmm... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Connolly Posted August 30, 2020 Share Posted August 30, 2020 8 minutes ago, ali_91 said: It’s ok to shoot people if they take umbrage to the fact you are walking about with an assault rifle basically. Victim blaming nonsense, but VL’s recognise VL’s I suppose. It's also fine if they start chasing you after you threaten them with said assault rifle, as they are now the aggressor. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sinner-to-Saint Posted August 30, 2020 Share Posted August 30, 2020 7 minutes ago, ali_91 said: It’s ok to shoot people if they take umbrage to the fact you are walking about with an assault rifle basically. Victim blaming nonsense, but VL’s recognise VL’s I suppose. Well apparently he extinguished a fire that had been lit in a bin, which annoyed the protesters, and who then acted aggressively. But aye, the lawyer seems to think he'll not be convicted of murder. I didn't offer an opinion, but stated I thought it was a good analysis. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Binos Posted August 30, 2020 Share Posted August 30, 2020 5 hours ago, MixuFruit said: Well, as a wee thought experiment imagine if instead of there being black and white people in the USA there were just people who could or could not pronounce the word 'nuclear' correctly. Imagine that people who said 'nucular' were the ones involved in more crime - do you think the police would shoot them in the same sort of numbers? Is widespread gun ownership a factor in how many police are shot? Absolutely. Are black people dispoportionate assailants in these cases? Yes. Does this mean there's something intrinsic to black people that makes them do this more than white people? Absolutely not. Who said that there was The reasons why an area's population had higher crime would be deep seated long running socioeconomic But it could explain the police's disproportionate behaviour in those areas 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
101 Posted August 30, 2020 Share Posted August 30, 2020 1 hour ago, HeartsOfficialMoaner said: Richard Pryor - That Nigger’s Crazy (1974) Niggers v Police Woah, were not allowed to say f**k or c**t or even "PM me ***" but the N word has no filter. Not that the above use is offensive but if that's not white privilege then I don't know what is. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Binos Posted August 30, 2020 Share Posted August 30, 2020 (edited) 7 minutes ago, MixuFruit said: fair do's. I thought you were implying it wasn't, was wrong. In Canada 3 percent of the population, native indigenous peoples, make up 20 percent of the prison population Are indigenous peoples inherently criminal, no Why are tonnes of them in prison. Cause they're kind of fucked and similar to the Australian aboriginal people subject to some of saddest stories about Will the police go onto reservations primed for discovering criminality far more than any other areas, undoubtedly and they'd be right It's the same process in the states with black areas but over the border everyone is armed Edited August 30, 2020 by Binos 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sinner-to-Saint Posted August 30, 2020 Share Posted August 30, 2020 2 minutes ago, Mark Connolly said: It's also fine if they start chasing you after you threaten them with said assault rifle, as they are now the aggressor. What it's always important to remember in criminal cases, is that the accused is INNOCENT until proven guilty, and the burden of proof is beyond reasonable doubt. I'm doubtful any jury will convict a man of murder, when he;'s being chased by a mob who were throwing things at him. Interestingly one of the two killed was allegedly a paedo, which will make people sympathetic. -4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted August 30, 2020 Share Posted August 30, 2020 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Sinner-to-Saint said: Interestingly one of the two killed was allegedly a paedo Source please. Additionally, did the killer know this when he shot him? Edited August 30, 2020 by welshbairn 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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