dirty dingus Posted June 27, 2020 Share Posted June 27, 2020 46 minutes ago, madwullie said: I agree with most of this, but like someone said earlier in the thread, if someone has stabbed 5 people and a polis, I don't think it's that out of order to get the guns out. It really doesn't mean that any wideo that pulls a blade gets shot, and it isn't because he's an asylum seeker he got shot. It's because he showed that he was willing to commit mass murder. Shit as things have been for them (and the really really have, it's a fucking disgrace imo) the police can't really be expected to take that into consideration when 6 folk are bleeding out. Yes he was obviously a danger to residents, staff and police and I see why he was taken out. I posted it more for the info on the situationthat the asylum seekers have found themselves in. the ferret article I posted gives a first hand account of folke getting removed from homes and flung in these hotel set ups. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted June 27, 2020 Share Posted June 27, 2020 I don't see how the police can distinguish between a berserk weegie, a committed Al Qaeda operative or a badly treated refugee who's lost his tether, if there's blood everywhere, 6 people on the floor, he's looking for the next victim and you have a gun. 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hillonearth Posted June 27, 2020 Share Posted June 27, 2020 32 minutes ago, SweeperDee said: Racial subtext to the firearms response? To be fair I don't think there's even been a multiple stabbing incident of this nature in Scottish history before either, so I guess everybody's on new ground here...not that we haven't historically had issues with knife crime especially around Glasgow, but by and large anything fatal is either a drug/gang related in-house job, a domestic or just a couple of drunk neds out their depth. I feel for the cops who are in a no-win situation in this instance...if the had taken their time in responding or had held back resulting in more casualties they'd just as predictably be being castigated from many of the same sources as they are at the moment. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inanimate Carbon Rod Posted June 27, 2020 Share Posted June 27, 2020 To be fair I don't think there's even been a multiple stabbing incident of this nature in Scottish history before either, so I guess everybody's on new ground here...not that we haven't historically had issues with knife crime especially around Glasgow, but by and large anything fatal is either a drug/gang related in-house job, a domestic or just a couple of drunk neds out their depth. I feel for the cops who are in a no-win situation in this instance...if the had taken their time in responding or had held back resulting in more casualties they'd just as predictably be being castigated from many of the same sources as they are at the moment.Im sure the officer who took the shots is being supported, those at the incident are being looked after and David is being treated well (as are all the victims). Theres so much people can speculate on but how about this fact, whatever happened, in a time of crisis, the first people to assist David and the other injured were asylum seekers, people who could have run away and got to safety, stayed, provided first aid and helped police carry those hurt out the hotel, thats why we help asylum seekers, they are good people, they have worth as humans and we should absolutely welcome them here. Who knows right now what led to that incident, it may be a while before everything comes out, but f**k me please please please dont let the far right make capital out of this. 18 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tutankhamen Posted June 27, 2020 Share Posted June 27, 2020 Glasgow 1968 Easter weekend, 268 reported stabbings at Glasgow hospitals. Belfast zero 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bairnardo Posted June 27, 2020 Share Posted June 27, 2020 In this day and age, someone indiscriminately knifing folk in a city centre is getting shot. Theres no ifs or buts about it. Theres not enough info available to the police fast enough in that scenario for them to be sure there arent lots of lives at risk, be it through willingness to die for the cause, or in worst case, a suicide bomb. I dont think all police should be armed, but I dont think theres a choice for the armed lads in this type of scene. Happy to be proved wrong as details emerge but unfortunately, one of the 'successes" of theis type of terrorism is that it puts people on edge because it can happen anywhere with no notice. No police force are going to try and talk that situation down anymore. ETA of course the whole response must be fully investigated but if the Police thought he was going to get even one more dig at a victim he had already hit or get to someone else then shooting him is ok with me. His life for an innocent bystander is a fair trade. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derry Alli Posted June 27, 2020 Share Posted June 27, 2020 17 minutes ago, welshbairn said: I don't see how the police can distinguish between a berserk weegie, a committed Al Qaeda operative or a badly treated refugee who's lost his tether, if there's blood everywhere, 6 people on the floor, he's looking for the next victim and you have a gun. Yup. And I'm all for anybody going around blading folk to get shot right between the eyes. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moomintroll Posted June 27, 2020 Share Posted June 27, 2020 13 minutes ago, Bonksy+HisChristianParade said: No mate, what’s happened is that the emergency call has gone in and the responder has asked the crucial question ‘what colour is the attacker?’. After learning that the attacker is, in fact, non-white, he has hit the ‘send armed response unit’ button as opposed to the ‘send social services’ one. It’s clear as day. ACAB No responder would ever ask that question. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moomintroll Posted June 27, 2020 Share Posted June 27, 2020 11 minutes ago, Inanimate Carbon Rod said: Im sure the officer who took the shots is being supported, those at the incident are being looked after and David is being treated well (as are all the victims). Theres so much people can speculate on but how about this fact, whatever happened, in a time of crisis, the first people to assist David and the other injured were asylum seekers, people who could have run away and got to safety, stayed, provided first aid and helped police carry those hurt out the hotel, thats why we help asylum seekers, they are good people, they have worth as humans and we should absolutely welcome them here. Who knows right now what led to that incident, it may be a while before everything comes out, but f**k me please please please dont let the far right make capital out of this. 100% this, do not give those racist arseholes a single inch, spouting uninformed rhetoric & coming out with the sort of nonsense that that girl did allows them to recruit weak minded fools to their "cause". 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bonksy+HisChristianParade Posted June 27, 2020 Share Posted June 27, 2020 4 minutes ago, Perkin Flump said: No responder would ever ask that question. Actually, you’re wrong. My cousin is a responder and regretfully informed me that it is part of their training. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moomintroll Posted June 27, 2020 Share Posted June 27, 2020 Just now, Bonksy+HisChristianParade said: Actually, you’re wrong. My cousin is a responder and regretfully informed me that it is part of their training. I stand corrected then, that is shocking. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bairnardo Posted June 27, 2020 Share Posted June 27, 2020 Actually, you’re wrong. My cousin is a responder and regretfully informed me that it is part of their training. If I leave aside my initial reaction to that, and put the devils advocate hat on, I am not actually sure I have a huge problem with that. I have called 999 once for a person who took ill so not a fast paced emergency with lives at stake... The amount of information that they wanted off me beyond "this lads keeled over, heres where to send help" kind of blew me away. They absolutely grilled me. As information gatherers, I dont think I have an issue with it. I would have an issue with the trigger finger being adjusted based on it, but I dont think have issue with the extraction of every bit of information available to pass on. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bairnardo Posted June 27, 2020 Share Posted June 27, 2020 Good to see you've taken a firm position on this important matter.What are you saying? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zen Archer (Raconteur) Posted June 27, 2020 Share Posted June 27, 2020 35 minutes ago, Tutankhamen said: Glasgow 1968 Easter weekend, 268 reported stabbings at Glasgow hospitals. Belfast zero Did you have Glasgow on your coupon? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted June 27, 2020 Share Posted June 27, 2020 1 minute ago, Bairnardo said: 2 minutes ago, welshbairn said: Good to see you've taken a firm position on this important matter. What are you saying? Not sure tbh, carry on. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Honest_Man#1 Posted June 27, 2020 Share Posted June 27, 2020 12 minutes ago, Bairnardo said: If I leave aside my initial reaction to that, and put the devils advocate hat on, I am not actually sure I have a huge problem with that. I have called 999 once for a person who took ill so not a fast paced emergency with lives at stake... The amount of information that they wanted off me beyond "this lads keeled over, heres where to send help" kind of blew me away. They absolutely grilled me. As information gatherers, I dont think I have an issue with it. I would have an issue with the trigger finger being adjusted based on it, but I dont think have issue with the extraction of every bit of information available to pass on. Got to agree with the above I think. If the police are looking for a suspect who’s armed and attempting to murder people, any information that would help narrow down who they are looking for should be requested. As you say, if that then influences how they tackle something then it’s obviously a disgrace, but the information request isn’t. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tutankhamen Posted June 27, 2020 Share Posted June 27, 2020 8 minutes ago, Zen Archer Esq. said: Did you have Glasgow on your coupon? Got a tip off the Mad Spaniard from the Maryhill Fleet. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beefybake Posted June 27, 2020 Share Posted June 27, 2020 41 minutes ago, Bairnardo said: In this day and age, someone indiscriminately knifing folk in a city centre is getting shot. Theres no ifs or buts about it. Theres not enough info available to the police fast enough in that scenario for them to be sure there arent lots of lives at risk, be it through willingness to die for the cause, or in worst case, a suicide bomb. I dont think all police should be armed, but I dont think theres a choice for the armed lads in this type of scene. Happy to be proved wrong as details emerge but unfortunately, one of the 'successes" of theis type of terrorism is that it puts people on edge because it can happen anywhere with no notice. No police force are going to try and talk that situation down anymore. ETA of course the whole response must be fully investigated but if the Police thought he was going to get even one more dig at a victim he had already hit or get to someone else then shooting him is ok with me. His life for an innocent bystander is a fair trade. Looks like your mind is actually made up about what this was. And presumably, your bit about ' course, there has to be an investigation....' is just a window dressing to make you sound good. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bairnardo Posted June 27, 2020 Share Posted June 27, 2020 (edited) 5 minutes ago, beefybake said: Looks like your mind is actually made up about what this was. And presumably, your bit about ' course, there has to be an investigation....' is just a window dressing to make you sound good. No, I don't think thats how that post reads at all. The success of terrorists who have perpetrated this kind of terror attack is that it influences the day to day lives, fears and then responses of people. What happened with this incident is likely to have been hugely influenced by the absolute fear now instilled in this country by previous attacks of this nature. That's what they are going for. This one appears to show it has worked. The police have had to change the way they respond because of the very real fear we have as a society. Well done on blatantly missing my point. I quite clearly have not speculated on the motives of this attacker I have only correctly pointed out that knife spree attacks are a fairly new and effective technique for terrorists. Edited June 27, 2020 by Bairnardo 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacksgranda Posted June 27, 2020 Share Posted June 27, 2020 2 hours ago, Mark Connolly said: No it's not. http://www.woodsideonline.org.uk/heritage/major-incidents/holyrood-crescent-shooting/ I don't remember any of that and it must have been headline news at the time. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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