NotThePars Posted November 12, 2020 Share Posted November 12, 2020 12 minutes ago, welshbairn said: I'm not sure Trump would have made better use of his money. Trump, in order to keep his loony right to fifers on board, has banned US AID from funding any charity that advises or assists with birth control. If Gates is able to make up for the shortfall, well and good. Maybe we should aspire to slightly better than hoping wealthy philanthropists should plug the gaps in public services. That's the Victorian mindset you would find banana and oaksoft championing on here. 12 minutes ago, welshbairn said: I don't see what's really defensive at seeing nothing wrong with that, and I don't see what's creepy about other NGO's worrying about population either. Maybe it isn't in isolation but we're talking about a western NGO headed up by a ludicrously wealthy tech billionaire who has an inordinate amount of concern about the population of a historically colonised people. One which may have its own problems with ongoing climate change but isn't going to be a particularly major driver of climate change in and of itself. So why is it remotely his business? If he wants to do something then, again, either give his wealth away to these people or divert it towards challenging his comrades in wealth or his countrymen who help produce the insane carbon footprint that's turning the world into an oven. 12 minutes ago, welshbairn said: The main opponents of his charity work seem to be antivaxxers and 5G hysterics who think he's planting microchips in vaccines for purposes unknown. I get it that you distrust rich people on principle, and anyone who defends them is suspect, but that's a strange bunch to get onside with. Who is getting onside with these people? This is like saying "well some people think JFK is taking orders from the Vatican so your concerns about the escalating missile crisis and the Bay of Pigs makes you as much of a crank." It's utterly mental to suggest that paranoia and conspiracies around a topic or person automatically negates any and all critiques made towards it or them. You would literally be unable to criticise anything. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duszek Posted November 12, 2020 Share Posted November 12, 2020 Since 2002 The Gates Foundation has donated over $2 billion to the organization I work for, supporting nationally-owned HIV, tuberculosis and malaria programs in the world’s neediest countries. But yeah, it’s all a conspiracy. https://www.theglobalfund.org/en/private-ngo-partners/resource-mobilization/bill-melinda-gates-foundation/ 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coprolite Posted November 12, 2020 Share Posted November 12, 2020 6 minutes ago, Duszek said: Since 2002 The Gates Foundation has donated over $2 billion to the organization I work for, supporting nationally-owned HIV, tuberculosis and malaria programs in the world’s neediest countries. But yeah, it’s all a conspiracy. https://www.theglobalfund.org/en/private-ngo-partners/resource-mobilization/bill-melinda-gates-foundation/ But if Bill Gates didn't pay for it the level headed and stable governments of Africa would pay for it. He just wants to keep all the Malaria for himself the big colonial b*****d. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted November 12, 2020 Share Posted November 12, 2020 50 minutes ago, NotThePars said: Who is getting onside with these people? This is like saying "well some people think JFK is taking orders from the Vatican so your concerns about the escalating missile crisis and the Bay of Pigs makes you as much of a crank." It's utterly mental to suggest that paranoia and conspiracies around a topic or person automatically negates any and all critiques made towards it or them. You would literally be unable to criticise anything. That would be a fair analogy if you had specified the harm he's doing in Africa with his money. But you haven't, you and detourney have just put out mantras and innuendoes; "African neocolonialism", "photographed with Epstein", "creepily obsessed with reproduction". You can disapprove of someone without making an automatic negative judgement of everything they do. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongTimeLurker Posted November 12, 2020 Share Posted November 12, 2020 America's influence in Africa has always been benign. The World Bank never had any economic hitmen tricking African leaders into placing their nations into a debt trap. It was a wonderful idea not to back Patrice Lumumba and install Mobutu Sese Seko instead, and the good ole US of A really burst a gut combating the Apartheid regime in South Africa and never encouraged them to invade Angola. No Siree Jimbob. Given that sort of backdrop it's completely baffling why anyone would be suspicious of the motives of a rich billionaire from a country with such a stellar record of treating its black African population with equality and respect over the past few centuries after he takes a sudden interest interest in Africa's problems. To draw an analogy with Austria for no obvious reason, it was completely absurd that anyone would be concerned about Jorg Haider just because he was a right wing Austrian politician with pan-German nationalist sympathies with a name beginning with H and ending in r. We just forget about the past and assume everything is going to be OK this time. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted November 12, 2020 Share Posted November 12, 2020 39 minutes ago, LongTimeLurker said: America's influence in Africa has always been benign. The World Bank never had any economic hitmen tricking African leaders into placing their nations into a debt trap. It was a wonderful idea not to back Patrice Lumumba and install Mobutu Sese Seko instead, and the good ole US of A really burst a gut combating the Apartheid regime in South Africa and never encouraged them to invade Angola. No Siree Jimbob. Given that sort of backdrop it's completely baffling why anyone would be suspicious of the motives of a rich billionaire from a country with such a stellar record of treating its black African population with equality and respect over the past few centuries after he takes a sudden interest interest in Africa's problems. To draw an analogy with Austria for no obvious reason, it was completely absurd that anyone would be concerned about Jorg Haider just because he was a right wing Austrian politician with pan-German nationalist sympathies with a name beginning with H and ending in r. We just forget about the past and assume everything is going to be OK this time. So besides from him being rich and American, what has he done wrong in Africa? Is every British charity working in Africa evil because of our Colonial history? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tamthebam Posted November 12, 2020 Share Posted November 12, 2020 The other big donor in Africa is China with the belt and road initiative*. I'm sure the Communist Party is helping their African brothers as part of socialist solidarity and not as a way of getting Africa's resources on the cheap, like the West.. (*which maybe the UK should sign up for post Brexit- free munny and the Chinese might actually complete HS2) 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Theroadlesstravelled Posted November 13, 2020 Share Posted November 13, 2020 Covid-19 is all an elaborate hoax so Bill Gates can implant microchips in the entire population of the world under the guise of a mandatory vaccine. Trump of course was keeping this all at bay and the vaccine was announced only after he lost the election. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongTimeLurker Posted November 13, 2020 Share Posted November 13, 2020 8 hours ago, welshbairn said: So besides from him being rich and American, what has he done wrong in Africa? Is every British charity working in Africa evil because of our Colonial history? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Detournement Posted November 23, 2020 Share Posted November 23, 2020 Scottish judge refuses to release documents that prove Scottish judges framed Meghari. I am shocked. https://www.scottishlegal.com/article/lockerbie-appeal-high-court-refuses-to-order-recovery-of-secure-documents 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted November 23, 2020 Share Posted November 23, 2020 4 minutes ago, Detournement said: Scottish judge refuses to release documents that prove Scottish judges framed Meghari. I am shocked. https://www.scottishlegal.com/article/lockerbie-appeal-high-court-refuses-to-order-recovery-of-secure-documents I'm not sure how you get that take from reading the link. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Detournement Posted November 23, 2020 Share Posted November 23, 2020 3 minutes ago, welshbairn said: I'm not sure how you get that take from reading the link. A statement from the Jordanian head of state informing the UK that a Jordian intelligence officer built the bomb being dismissed as hearsay is ridiculous. Any official document that relies on multiple authors/investigators could be described that way. The national security defence is nonsense as well. Everyone knows Iran paid Palestinians to blow up the plane and that Gauci was paid for his ridiculous evidence by the US state. The only things that are being protected are the official reputations of the three bent Judges who went over to the Hague. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dorlomin Posted December 4, 2020 Share Posted December 4, 2020 24 minutes ago, Detournement said: I'd say the Salisbury posioning narrative has huge holes in it but there's not even a public timeline of events so that would be giving it too much credit. There is a reason there will never be an inquest into Dawn Sturges death. Can you expand a little on your thinking here. Who then poisoned the Skripals, what evidence do you have that the "mainstream media narrative" is wrong? In many other conspiracy theories leading questions are just a cover for evidence free assertions that do not make sense. But perhaps this one is different: you may have something we can all learn from here. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Detournement Posted December 4, 2020 Share Posted December 4, 2020 (edited) 16 minutes ago, dorlomin said: Can you expand a little on your thinking here. Who then poisoned the Skripals, what evidence do you have that the "mainstream media narrative" is wrong? In many other conspiracy theories leading questions are just a cover for evidence free assertions that do not make sense. But perhaps this one is different: you may have something we can all learn from here. Why are you quoting words I didn't write? I don't know who poisoned the Skripals. I do think it's pretty clear that the media narrative that they touched the nerve agent then spent a few hours having lunch and a few drinks before simultaneously collapsing is far fetched. That's not the official narrative though because there isn't one. That article you linked is a seething mess. There are quite a few people pushing the narrative on social media that leftist podcasts are driving some sort of red-brown alliance but funnily enough all the accusers are on payrolls funded by oligarchy think tanks (your 'anarchist' boy is linked to the Ford Foundation). Edited December 4, 2020 by Detournement 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dorlomin Posted December 4, 2020 Share Posted December 4, 2020 7 minutes ago, Detournement said: Why are you quoting words I didn't write? Quote I don't know who poisoned the Skripals. I do think it's pretty clear that the media narrative that they touched the nerve agent then spent a few hours having lunch and a few drinks before simultaneously collapsing is far fetched. So its just another case that "jet fuel cannot burn steel beams". I just moved your off topic conspiracy theory post to the thread about conspiracy theories. You can click on the quote and it takes you to where you wrote that word for word. Felt it was more appropriate here. But if you have no evidence, just your guesses about how you imagine nerve agents work then there is not much to discuss. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Detournement Posted December 4, 2020 Share Posted December 4, 2020 1 minute ago, dorlomin said: So its just another case that "jet fuel cannot burn steel beams". I just moved your off topic conspiracy theory post to the thread about conspiracy theories. You can click on the quote and it takes you to where you wrote that word for word. Felt it was more appropriate here. But if you have no evidence, just your guesses about how you imagine nerve agents work then there is not much to discuss. There is no evidence in the public domain about the movements of Skripals between leaving the house in the morning and going to the pub (I think) 5 hours later. No one has any evidence to back up any sequence of events other than the UK state and they have chosen not to make any details public. There are loads of strange things about this event like the Chief Nurse of the Army happening to be close by when they collapsed, Trump being shown the pictures of dead ducks and Mark Urban going on the telly kidding on he had no idea who Skripals was despite having met him on multiple occasions. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Detournement Posted December 4, 2020 Share Posted December 4, 2020 There has also never been any official claim that the two GRU guys went to Skripal's house. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunning1874 Posted December 16, 2020 Share Posted December 16, 2020 On 23/11/2020 at 19:15, Detournement said: Scottish judge refuses to release documents that prove Scottish judges framed Meghari. I am shocked. https://www.scottishlegal.com/article/lockerbie-appeal-high-court-refuses-to-order-recovery-of-secure-documents Bump. https://www.wsj.com/articles/u-s-expected-to-unseal-charges-against-new-suspect-in-1988-lockerbie-bombing-11608143709? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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