Ralstonite Posted September 14, 2020 Share Posted September 14, 2020 A friend of my mum's met Mr Nilsen in the Job Centre he worked at, and remembers him because he was Scottish like her. One has to wonder to what extent the homophobia he experienced contributed to his murderous actions, in the drama he claims he left the police because of 'homophobia'. I did wonder whether that was even a term used in the early eighties, or whether it was poetic licence, though. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ludo*1 Posted September 14, 2020 Share Posted September 14, 2020 Getting forced out for masturbating in the morgue isn't homophobia tbqhwy. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ralstonite Posted September 14, 2020 Author Share Posted September 14, 2020 26 minutes ago, Ludo*1 said: Getting forced out for masturbating in the morgue isn't homophobia tbqhwy. Indeed. However, correct me if I am wrong, but he claimed he left because of 'homophobia'. In the 1980s homophobia was rife, and gay bashing was something that happened. I believe Margaret Thatcher even considered re-criminalising it, so I'd imagine Nilsen experienced it. Could it not be that when he was drunk, and therefore less inhibited, he took out his rage, because of the guilt and shame he felt, on the men he murdered? Aye, he obviously wasn't right, but if he was growing up in contemporary society where he could express his sexuality, I have to wonder whether he might not have done what he did. The necrophilia could also be part of it, he didn't want another man to see him act on his homosexual urges, so he killed them first. Just a thought. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D.A.F.C Posted September 15, 2020 Share Posted September 15, 2020 1 hour ago, Ralstonite said: A friend of my mum's met Mr Nilsen in the Job Centre he worked at, and remembers him because he was Scottish like her. One has to wonder to what extent the homophobia he experienced contributed to his murderous actions, in the drama he claims he left the police because of 'homophobia'. I did wonder whether that was even a term used in the early eighties, or whether it was poetic licence, though. Not sure about contributing to his actions but a former prison psychiatrist said that the reason he didn’t get caught was down to homophobia in the police. A young guy escaped and phoned 999 only for them to turn up and ignore it because they assumed it was a gay relationship. They only investigated him when a drains company found stuff. Was on daytime tv today, tenant looks identical. Quite spooky. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ralstonite Posted September 15, 2020 Author Share Posted September 15, 2020 25 minutes ago, D.A.F.C said: Not sure about contributing to his actions but a former prison psychiatrist said that the reason he didn’t get caught was down to homophobia in the police. A young guy escaped and phoned 999 only for them to turn up and ignore it because they assumed it was a gay relationship. They only investigated him when a drains company found stuff. Was on daytime tv today, tenant looks identical. Quite spooky. Aye, that was featured in the drama. I believe the Yorkshire Ripper's crimes weren't a priority as he was 'only' killing prostitutes. The police also battered the miners in the '80s, too. A totally different era. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doulikefish Posted September 15, 2020 Share Posted September 15, 2020 My mum told me years ago he was a really quiet and shy at school as she was at scholl with him in primary class years before he moved out to the country when his mum remarried 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICTChris Posted September 15, 2020 Share Posted September 15, 2020 7 hours ago, D.A.F.C said: Not sure about contributing to his actions but a former prison psychiatrist said that the reason he didn’t get caught was down to homophobia in the police. A young guy escaped and phoned 999 only for them to turn up and ignore it because they assumed it was a gay relationship. They only investigated him when a drains company found stuff. Was on daytime tv today, tenant looks identical. Quite spooky. Good thing that things have moved on so much that this could never happen these days. lol, exactly this happened but worse. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergeant Wilson Posted September 15, 2020 Share Posted September 15, 2020 3 hours ago, ICTChris said: Good thing that things have moved on so much that this could never happen these days. Hide contents lol, exactly this happened but worse. Isn't that @BawWatchinsans beard and hat? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
djchapsticks Posted September 15, 2020 Share Posted September 15, 2020 Looking forward to watching this. Tennant is an excellent actor, so will be interesting to see his portrayal of Nilsen. Amazing the job the make up teams do of turning actors into those they play. Dominic West was similarly eerie when he player Fred West. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bert Raccoon Posted September 15, 2020 Share Posted September 15, 2020 Watched it last night and Tennant was brilliant, pretty much nailed the quiet, creepy demeanor of Nilsen. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northboy Posted September 15, 2020 Share Posted September 15, 2020 24 minutes ago, Bert Raccoon said: Watched it last night and Tennant was brilliant, pretty much nailed the quiet, creepy demeanor of Nilsen. Agreed - Tennant was superb. From what I've seen and heard today half of the country claims to have met or known Nilsen at some point in time. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ludo*1 Posted September 15, 2020 Share Posted September 15, 2020 (edited) I think Tennant manages to find a 'human' (Not the correct choice of word) side in his portrayal of Nilsen which is some fucking feat when you read about him in depth. I know a lot on here aren't fans of Limmy, but he summed it up for me: Edited September 15, 2020 by Ludo*1 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarto Mutiny Posted September 15, 2020 Share Posted September 15, 2020 Just watched the first episode now. It was really well done and as others have said, David Tennant is really terrifyingly good. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergeant Wilson Posted September 15, 2020 Share Posted September 15, 2020 It was good, but I was reminded of Jarvis Cocker. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1nickydevlin Posted September 15, 2020 Share Posted September 15, 2020 Watched last night tennant plays it brilliantly. 10/10. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ralstonite Posted September 15, 2020 Author Share Posted September 15, 2020 12 hours ago, doulikefish said: My mum told me years ago he was a really quiet and shy at school as she was at scholl with him in primary class years before he moved out to the country when his mum remarried It's always interesting hearing stuff like this. I don't think people are born this way. 5 hours ago, djchapsticks said: Looking forward to watching this. Tennant is an excellent actor, so will be interesting to see his portrayal of Nilsen. Amazing the job the make up teams do of turning actors into those they play. Dominic West was similarly eerie when he player Fred West. Tennant is a fellow Ralstonite. I don't know him personally, but his da was the local vicar and many people around here know him well. Apparently when he was about seven years old he got up and spoke in front of the congregation at the church and folk said he was very confident and precocious. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smpar Posted September 15, 2020 Share Posted September 15, 2020 Tennant’s most impressive feat is getting the Fraserburgh accent so spot on, yet understandable without the need for subtitles. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottmcleanscontacts Posted September 16, 2020 Share Posted September 16, 2020 Indeed. However, correct me if I am wrong, but he claimed he left because of 'homophobia'. In the 1980s homophobia was rife, and gay bashing was something that happened. I believe Margaret Thatcher even considered re-criminalising it, so I'd imagine Nilsen experienced it. Could it not be that when he was drunk, and therefore less inhibited, he took out his rage, because of the guilt and shame he felt, on the men he murdered? Aye, he obviously wasn't right, but if he was growing up in contemporary society where he could express his sexuality, I have to wonder whether he might not have done what he did. The necrophilia could also be part of it, he didn't want another man to see him act on his homosexual urges, so he killed them first. Just a thought.It was rife then, certainly if you believe auld arseholes that frequent the pubs in Perth. I remember well talking to one guy who is probably in his 60's now. He revelled in telling his stories about his pals and him heading through to Edinburgh in the late 1970's and early 1980's for a bit of casual 'poof bashing'. His words, not mine.He apparently regrets it now though, so guess that is alright then [emoji849] 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottmcleanscontacts Posted September 16, 2020 Share Posted September 16, 2020 Anyway, on to the programme itself. It's been good viewing. Tennant could pass for Nilsen without a doubt. Obviously there might be an element of theatrical licence in his portrayal but he certainly nails him well. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Detournement Posted September 16, 2020 Share Posted September 16, 2020 22 hours ago, Bert Raccoon said: Watched it last night and Tennant was brilliant, pretty much nailed the quiet, creepy demeanor of Nilsen. Did you know Dennis Nielsen well? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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