NotThePars Posted May 10, 2021 Author Share Posted May 10, 2021 3 hours ago, Burning Barns said: ALBA were a brand new party. How else are you supposed to learn what they stand for, or form an opinion on them, other than by reading the manifesto? Comparing it to the UKIP or Tory manifesto is a total cop-out. Apart from the opening salvo of an Alba candidate saying LGBT organisations were demanding the age of consent was lowered to 10 while the party backed her to the hilt and Wings said there was no possible alternative interpretation to be made? 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strichener Posted May 11, 2021 Share Posted May 11, 2021 11 hours ago, oaksoft said: Around a dozen women indepedently made complaints about his behaviour and he himself admitted to behaving inappropriately. Whilst we should always respect the innocent until proven guilty principle, you'd have to be buttoned right up the back of your head to believe a man could be accused by that number of people and be entirely innocent. Once you start getting beyond 2 or 3 people making complaints, the balance of probability of guilt starts to shift considerably. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madwullie Posted May 11, 2021 Share Posted May 11, 2021 10 hours ago, NotThePars said: Apart from the opening salvo of an Alba candidate saying LGBT organisations were demanding the age of consent was lowered to 10 while the party backed her to the hilt and Wings said there was no possible alternative interpretation to be made? Ah but did you read the manifesto? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotThePars Posted May 11, 2021 Author Share Posted May 11, 2021 15 minutes ago, madwullie said: Ah but did you read the manifesto? I did actually! On 21/04/2021 at 13:56, NotThePars said: "Scotland needs to be gallus for what comes next. ALBA is here to bring that confidence." Terrific stuff. I opened the "Women and Equalities" section as well and all the neighbour's dogs started barking for some reason. 9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wee-Bey Posted May 11, 2021 Share Posted May 11, 2021 My copy of the manifesto was just 24 pages of this photo. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dunning1874 Posted May 13, 2021 Share Posted May 13, 2021 On 10/05/2021 at 15:30, Burning Barns said: Well, we disagree on that. Lack of time, lack of publicity and lack of resources as well, were factors. Relentless attempts to render the party unelectable in the eyes of others by Sturgeon supporters. In my opinion, that's why ALBA went from 6% in an initial poll, to what they eventually got. Polling at 6% then getting 1.66% doesn't indicate that there was support for them which evaporated, it indicates that Panelbase had something off in their methodology and were massively overstating their support. Panelbase found them at 6% another twice and once at 4%, when of the 16 polls carried out by other major pollsters from the point Alba were formed all but two had them on 2 or 3%, the outliers being 1% and 4%. This a polling issue from a company with a habit of overstating list votes for smaller parties. They didn't achieve higher levels of support because no potential support was ever there. 50% of the electorate were never going to touch a single issue pro-independence party with a barge pole while a significant proportion of the other 50% were never going near a party led by Alex Salmond which was fielding candidates like the racist Alex Arthur or spreader of homophobic conspiracy theories Margaret Lynch. 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottsdad Posted May 19, 2021 Share Posted May 19, 2021 Have we found @Burning Barns ? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wee-Bey Posted May 19, 2021 Share Posted May 19, 2021 Remember Alba ? Remember yer Da used to go on about em all the time ? What were that all about ? 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AsimButtHitsASix Posted May 19, 2021 Share Posted May 19, 2021 I had genuinely forgot Alba existed already until this popped up. I'm away to laugh at McEleney's twitter feed 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genuine Hibs Fan Posted May 21, 2021 Share Posted May 21, 2021 We are being threatened with a good time again. I wonder if something in the quality of analysis in the second image would suggest why he's having problems getting people interested in his website 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
invergowrie arab Posted May 21, 2021 Share Posted May 21, 2021 3 minutes ago, Genuine Hibs Fan said: We are being threatened with a good time again. I wonder if something in the quality of analysis in the second image would suggest why he's having problems getting people interested in his website He blocked me for pointing out that the Highland Clearances wasn't state sponsored genocide. Another one chased from Scotland and living very online who thinks Denise Findlay has the pulse of the nation. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dirty dingus Posted May 21, 2021 Share Posted May 21, 2021 4 minutes ago, Genuine Hibs Fan said: We are being threatened with a good time again. I wonder if something in the quality of analysis in the second image would suggest why he's having problems getting people interested in his website Jeggit is a bellend and such a needy nyaff. Anyone with a contrary opinion is either an anti Irish Catholic bigot, an idiot or a state actor. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim McLean's Ghost Posted May 21, 2021 Share Posted May 21, 2021 26 minutes ago, Genuine Hibs Fan said: We are being threatened with a good time again. I wonder if something in the quality of analysis in the second image would suggest why he's having problems getting people interested in his website so the russians have turned off the botnet looks like it is all over for Alba 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotThePars Posted May 21, 2021 Author Share Posted May 21, 2021 It genuinely wouldn’t surprise me if there weren’t a range of people ready to defect. Isn’t it the case with a lot of rebellions that there will be big hitters hedging their bets and waiting to see which the dominos fall and then supporting the side which is clearly winning?For all we slag Cherry I believe a bit that she would’ve defected if Alba had had a stormer of an election but she, and I suspect a few others, were sufficiently not stupid so they sat back and waited to see how the initial lot did. And they did shite. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim McLean's Ghost Posted May 21, 2021 Share Posted May 21, 2021 4 minutes ago, NotThePars said: It genuinely wouldn’t surprise me if there weren’t a range of people ready to defect. Isn’t it the case with a lot of rebellions that there will be big hitters hedging their bets and waiting to see which the dominos fall and then supporting the side which is clearly winning? For all we slag Cherry I believe a bit that she would’ve defected if Alba had had a stormer of an election but she, and I suspect a few others, were sufficiently not stupid so they sat back and waited to see how the initial lot did. And they did shite. Obviously Cherry was going to defect. Although she is too much of a bottler that she pulled a sickie. I see she must feel better since her National column is back. Very convenient timing for her. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dirty dingus Posted May 21, 2021 Share Posted May 21, 2021 9 minutes ago, NotThePars said: It genuinely wouldn’t surprise me if there weren’t a range of people ready to defect. Isn’t it the case with a lot of rebellions that there will be big hitters hedging their bets and waiting to see which the dominos fall and then supporting the side which is clearly winning? For all we slag Cherry I believe a bit that she would’ve defected if Alba had had a stormer of an election but she, and I suspect a few others, were sufficiently not stupid so they sat back and waited to see how the initial lot did. And they did shite. Angus McNeil shat his pants too. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NotThePars Posted May 21, 2021 Author Share Posted May 21, 2021 Those are the people I’m referring to. They’re the big hitters that could’ve partially tipped the scales but they were sitting back and waiting for the more radical dafties to shoot their load and see how it goes. It really annoys me that I can’t remember the term for it because I read it in a book last year. I want to say it’s the rebel’s gambit but it’s not that. Alba were fucked unless they could make a sufficiently big splash with the radicals to tempt other fence sitters into joining in but they couldn’t and so they didn’t. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genuine Hibs Fan Posted May 21, 2021 Share Posted May 21, 2021 11 minutes ago, NotThePars said: It genuinely wouldn’t surprise me if there weren’t a range of people ready to defect. Isn’t it the case with a lot of rebellions that there will be big hitters hedging their bets and waiting to see which the dominos fall and then supporting the side which is clearly winning? For all we slag Cherry I believe a bit that she would’ve defected if Alba had had a stormer of an election but she, and I suspect a few others, were sufficiently not stupid so they sat back and waited to see how the initial lot did. And they did shite. Yeah tbf that part is very believable, more so than the numbers he was spouting. It's overhyped though, marginalized figures in a major party being willing to be a big fish in a small pond if the smaller party can make an electoral dent is probably very common. It's part of why you can write off those who jumped at the chance to join Alba or TIG without that condition as idiots imo. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salt n Vinegar Posted May 21, 2021 Share Posted May 21, 2021 Those trying desperately to keep Alba going as a party should be admired, if only for their belief that they can use a weird kind of internet based CPR to resurrect a hamburger. Reminds me of the two Ronnies saying something like '83% of voters would vote Liberal if they thought they'd get in." it was a joke at the time, and Alba was a joke earlier this month. The Alba party was one man's desperate attempt to make himself politically relevant and most folk weren't buying it. He put his faith in the "fair-minded people in Scotland"... and "the fair-minded people in Scotland" told him to eff off. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
invergowrie arab Posted May 21, 2021 Share Posted May 21, 2021 2 hours ago, NotThePars said: Those are the people I’m referring to. They’re the big hitters that could’ve partially tipped the scales but they were sitting back and waiting for the more radical dafties to shoot their load and see how it goes. It really annoys me that I can’t remember the term for it because I read it in a book last year. I want to say it’s the rebel’s gambit but it’s not that. Alba were fucked unless they could make a sufficiently big splash with the radicals to tempt other fence sitters into joining in but they couldn’t and so they didn’t. I take your point about Joanna Cherry. Angus MacNeil is a knitted character 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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