Binos Posted September 25, 2021 Share Posted September 25, 2021 21 minutes ago, velo army said: Sorry if I'm being thick here, but if it was 1 up top we'd be going with a 4-5-1 which would still require three in the middle as we'd be going with two wingers. Or you could have the midfield narrow to dominate possession in the middle of the pitch and get the wing backs to do a shift to generate the width 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigkillie Posted September 25, 2021 Share Posted September 25, 2021 You wouldn't have wing-backs if you had a back four. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
velo army Posted September 25, 2021 Share Posted September 25, 2021 18 minutes ago, Binos said: Or you could have the midfield narrow to dominate possession in the middle of the pitch and get the wing backs to do a shift to generate the width A narrow midfield with 5 in it, with full backs providing the width? They'd be falling over each other. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2426255 Posted September 26, 2021 Share Posted September 26, 2021 Look at Binos pretending to be a master tactician, cute. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Binos Posted September 26, 2021 Share Posted September 26, 2021 (edited) 10 hours ago, craigkillie said: You wouldn't have wing-backs if you had a back four. Spain did it for years They have to be fit Just a 4231 really Edited September 26, 2021 by Binos 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigkillie Posted September 26, 2021 Share Posted September 26, 2021 Spain did it for years They have to be fit Just a 4231 really But if you want to pick Jack, Gilmour, McGregor and McGinn in the same team you can't have a 4-2-3-1 since none of them are wide players. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Binos Posted September 26, 2021 Share Posted September 26, 2021 8 minutes ago, craigkillie said: 2 hours ago, Binos said: Spain did it for years They have to be fit Just a 4231 really But if you want to pick Jack, Gilmour, McGregor and McGinn in the same team you can't have a 4-2-3-1 since none of them are wide players. The full backs provide the width Its not revolutionary Alan hutton used to do it for us 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigkillie Posted September 26, 2021 Share Posted September 26, 2021 13 minutes ago, Binos said: The full backs provide the width Its not revolutionary Alan hutton used to do it for us That doesn't sound like a 4-2-3-1 then. Can you please show the team that you're going to pick which allows us to include Jack, McGregor, Gilmour and McGinn? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Binos Posted September 26, 2021 Share Posted September 26, 2021 1 minute ago, craigkillie said: That doesn't sound like a 4-2-3-1 then. Can you please show the team that you're going to pick which allows us to include Jack, McGregor, Gilmour and McGinn? Jack Gilmour Turnbull Mcginn Mcgregor Maybe Get as many good footballing midfielders in there Back in real world we'll stick to a 3 and in some games like v Croatia the opposition will play a narrow 5 and completely overwhelm us Although of course v Austria worked 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigkillie Posted September 26, 2021 Share Posted September 26, 2021 1 hour ago, Binos said: Jack Gilmour Turnbull Mcginn Mcgregor Maybe Get as many good footballing midfielders in there Back in real world we'll stick to a 3 and in some games like v Croatia the opposition will play a narrow 5 and completely overwhelm us Although of course v Austria worked That's not a team, that's a midfield. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HuttonDressedAsLahm Posted September 26, 2021 Share Posted September 26, 2021 (edited) 2 hours ago, Binos said: Jack Gilmour Turnbull Mcginn Mcgregor Maybe Get as many good footballing midfielders in there Back in real world we'll stick to a 3 and in some games like v Croatia the opposition will play a narrow 5 and completely overwhelm us Although of course v Austria worked That’s 5 midfielders who all prefer to play centrally. None of them have any real pace. They aren’t slow, sure, but they’re leagues behind the likes of Adams and Burke (neither of whom can play there). 4-2-3-1 works well if you dominate possession with the best technical players (a la Spain/Barcelona) or with a winger or two with pace to burn, and/or with a trick or two. That side has neither of those things, and no Scotland side will ever have the former. It could have the latter but your need to drop at least one, but possibly two of your 3 for a winger or central attacker with pace (Fraser, McFadden in his pomp etc.) Edited September 26, 2021 by HuttonDressedAsLahm 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Binos Posted September 26, 2021 Share Posted September 26, 2021 (edited) 6 minutes ago, HuttonDressedAsLahm said: That’s 5 midfielders who all prefer to play centrally. None of them have any real pace. They aren’t slow, sure, but they’re leagues behind the likes of Adams and Burke (neither of whom can play there). 4-2-3-1 works well if you dominate possession with the best technical players (a la Spain/Barcelona) or with a winger or two with pace to burn, and/or with a trick or two. That side has neither of those things, and no Scotland side will ever have the former. It could have the latter but your need to drop at least one, but possibly two of your 3 for a winger or central attacker with pace (Fraser, McFadden in his pomp etc.) That was my point, to pick 5 central midfielders, to play narrow and dominate possession with full backs providing the width All just musings anyway Not Clarkes game Edited September 26, 2021 by Binos 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2426255 Posted November 7, 2021 Share Posted November 7, 2021 Congratulations to Ryan Jack, on the bench today for Rangers! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordopolis Posted November 7, 2021 Share Posted November 7, 2021 need to drop at least one, but possibly two of your 3 for a winger or central attacker with pace (Fraser, McFadden in his pomp etc.)Not sure if I'm reading your post wrong, but McFadden was never speedy. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bing.McCrosby Posted November 7, 2021 Share Posted November 7, 2021 Just now, Gordopolis said: Not sure if I'm reading your post wrong, but McFadden was never speedy. He maybe wasn't rapid, but he wasn't slow either. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordopolis Posted November 7, 2021 Share Posted November 7, 2021 He maybe wasn't rapid, but he wasn't slow either.I'd say that (and teamwork) were his weakest attributes. Not being a dick, but did you see him play? He was rapid of thought and really swift with his footwork, but not pacey per se. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bing.McCrosby Posted November 8, 2021 Share Posted November 8, 2021 19 hours ago, Gordopolis said: I'd say that (and teamwork) were his weakest attributes. Not being a dick, but did you see him play? He was rapid of thought and really swift with his footwork, but not pacey per se. The best reference point i can think of is football manager If you google him on fm13 he was listed as acceleration 12 pace 13. Out of 20 if you've not played the game. So not rapid but not slow either. I've seen him play plenty and wager he could still out sprint you. Which is the yardstick I like to judge players speed on. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordopolis Posted November 9, 2021 Share Posted November 9, 2021 On 08/11/2021 at 15:13, BingMcCrosby said: The best reference point i can think of is football manager If you google him on fm13 he was listed as acceleration 12 pace 13. Out of 20 if you've not played the game. So not rapid but not slow either. I've seen him play plenty and wager he could still out sprint you. Which is the yardstick I like to judge players speed on. You gauge them against whether they can outsprint me? Challenge accepted! Get Faddy, Ronaldinho etc doon the park and I'll show them how tae run 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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