Davie Moyes and his league idea can, quite literally, go f*ck himself...

[Mark Connolly]

How come these great proposals for integrated leagues always involve keeping the English leagues and slotting everyone else in at random places?

If you want to start a British League, the top division should be the top 5 teams each from the Scottish Premiership, Premier League, Cymru Premier and NIFL Premiership, with that being replicated down the divisions until you want to go regional.

Everyone would find their proper place within a few seasons.

[Granny Danger]

22 minutes ago, GordonS said:

Well it's not Scotland. 

It’s not Italy either, or Brazil, or Egypt.

[Nowhereman]

By that logic the U.K. is a country, which it definitely isn’t.  It’s a bit pointless.

By what criteria is the uk not a country?

[Granny Danger]

25 minutes ago, Nowhereman said:

By what criteria is the uk not a country?

By the criterion that it isn’t.

[Malcolm Malcolm]

1 hour ago, Mark Connolly said:

How come these great proposals for integrated leagues always involve keeping the English leagues and slotting everyone else in at random places?

If you want to start a British League, the top division should be the top 5 teams each from the Scottish Premiership, Premier League, Cymru Premier and NIFL Premiership, with that being replicated down the divisions until you want to go regional.

Everyone would find their proper place within a few seasons.

The reason is cultural imperialism or hegemony or anti-Scottish prejudice or whatever you want to call it.

Simon Jordan was rambling on the other day about how the SPFL Premiership is a 'poor league' a couple of sentences after saying he didn't know enough about Rangers to comment on Steven Gerrard. He wasn't challenged on his self-professed ignorance. This is the default opinion of most things here south of the border and the reason stuff like the subject of this thread is so annoying is because this pish gets absorbed and regurgitated by a lot of Scots.

Edited April 24, 2021 by Malcolm Malcolm

[HalfCutNinja]

20 minutes ago, Granny Danger said:

By the criterion that it isn’t.

Of course it is. You don't understand the terms you're using. You probably mean nation, which it also is, just not to you.

[Granny Danger]

1 minute ago, HalfCutNinja said:

Of course it is. You don't understand the terms you're using. You probably mean nation, which it also is, just not to you.

No, the U.K. is a political union of three countries and NI who’s status I’d rather not get into.  It is not a country.

[HalfCutNinja]

6 minutes ago, Granny Danger said:

No, the U.K. is a political union of three countries and NI who’s status I’d rather not get into.  It is not a country.

This is why I say country is a misunderstood and unhelpful term. As I already said, the UK, Scotland, England, Wales and NI would all qualify as countries. All of them are countries, Catalonia would qualify too. 

This is what a country is-

 

A country is a distinct territorial body or political entity. It is often referred to as the land of an individual's birth, residence or citizenship.

A country may be an independent sovereign state or part of a larger state,^[1] as a non-sovereign or formerly sovereign political division, a physical territory with a government, or a geographic region associated with sets of previously independent or differently associated people with distinct political characteristics. It is not inherently sovereign.

Countries can refer both to sovereign states and to other political entities,^[2] while other times it can refer only to states.^[3] For example, the CIA World Factbook uses the word in its "Country name" field to refer to "a wide variety of dependencies, areas of special sovereignty, uninhabited islands, and other entities in addition to the traditional countries or independent states"

[resk]

32 minutes ago, Malcolm Malcolm said:

The reason is cultural imperialism or hegemony or anti-Scottish prejudice or whatever you want to call it.

Simon Jordan was rambling on the other day about how the SPFL Premiership is a 'poor league' a couple of sentences after saying he didn't know enough about Rangers to comment on Steven Gerrard. He wasn't challenged on his self-professed ignorance. This is the default opinion of most things here south of the border and the reason stuff like the subject of this thread is so annoying is because this pish gets absorbed and regurgitated by a lot of Scots.

Simon Jordan is a fkin cock.  

[thekorean]

So I presume this answers how Moysie would vote if there was another referendum.

[GordonS]

2 hours ago, Granny Danger said:

It’s not Italy either, or Brazil, or Egypt.

Decisions about whether a Brazilian footballer can come to Scotland are made in England, and there's nothing we can do about it, as you obviously know.

[Malcolm Malcolm]

5 minutes ago, thekorean said:

So I presume this answers how Moysie would vote if there was another referendum.

He wouldn't be permitted to vote because he lives in Preston and in supposedly backward Scotland we don't judge your right to vote on these things based on your ethnicity.

[Loonytoons]

2 minutes ago, GordonS said:

Decisions about whether a Brazilian footballer can come to Scotland are made in England, and there's nothing we can do about it, as you obviously know.

Aren't they made in the UK?

[Malcolm Malcolm]

46 minutes ago, resk said:

Simon Jordan is a fkin cock.  

He is but he was articulating the mainstream opinion about football in Scotland. England as a nation has a massive superiority complex, hence why they didn't seem to see much wrong with having six teams in the failed Super League.

Edited April 24, 2021 by Malcolm Malcolm

[GordonS]

38 minutes ago, Loonytoons said:

Aren't they made in the UK?

Exactly.

Because the UK is a real country.

[Loonytoons]

Just now, GordonS said:

Exactly.

Because the UK is a real country.

Why did you say England then?

[GordonS]

Just now, Loonytoons said:

Why did you say England then?

Because we were talking about Scotland and England. 

[Loonytoons]

Just now, GordonS said:

Because we were talking about Scotland and England. 

So why did you say the UK then?

[Malcolm Malcolm]

Fucking hell, lads. Scotland is a grey area because it's a historical European nation with its own legal system and it increasingly has some of the apparatus of a state. It is not recognised as a sovereign nation but the idea of sovereignty is contestable, especially because Scotland has a tradition preceding 1707 of popular sovereignty (which is generally the norm) and England has a tradition of parliamentary sovereignty, which it insists applies to the whole UK. This then brings us to competing interpretations of the Treaty of Union of 1707. Scots generally regard it as the establishment of a new state between Scotland and England based at Westminster. However, there is a tendency in England to regard the union as effectively an expansionist continuation of the already existing English state.

Malcolm Malcolm's opinion is that the UK is a historical anomaly more like a diminished Austro-Hungarian Empire than any comparable modern nation state. The easiest way to remedy that would theoretically be to establish a modern federal United Kingdom with a profoundly reformed constitution but in reality that is practically impossible, and that is why we remain at a constitutional impasse.

Anyway, when it comes to Britishness Moyes is for some reason a forelock tugging twat.

Edited April 24, 2021 by Malcolm Malcolm

[BucksburnDandy]

I wonder if all this talk of Britain willl damage Davie's chances of the Celtic job. 

Certainly not among their board and Dermot Desmond who are raging Tories.

Utter forelock tugging, knee bending pish from Moyes. Pop the idea in the sea where it belongs.