Zen Archer (Raconteur) Posted June 11, 2021 Share Posted June 11, 2021 We're taking the knee now according to BBC Scotland news. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DukDukGoose Posted June 11, 2021 Share Posted June 11, 2021 17 minutes ago, latapythelegend said: I supported it initially as it was a great way of showing solidarity with the movement and it acheived its purpose of putting the topic racism at the forefront of peoples mind. As time has went on it has become an empty gesture. The first few weeks everybody watched and appreciated that so many people were supporting it. Now when it happens its a case of "aw aye, they're doing that knee for racism thing" and nobody really thinks of it now. I certainly don't and that doesn't mean I am a racist. It's just not a powerful symbol anymore. As somebody has already said - Scotland didn't take the knee in March and on the whole people supported that. Now people are frothing at the fact that we aren't doing because England have quite a few racists supporting them. That's their problem to solve. Not the SFA or the Scotland team themselves. It has had it's time and we should move on. Racism can only be resolved through education and punishment of those found to be racist. Not choreographed pre-match routines. Surely the fact it's caused so much seethe the past week shows it's not an empty gesture and drives debate? 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antiochas III Posted June 11, 2021 Share Posted June 11, 2021 20 minutes ago, BigDoddyKane said: getting a bit farcical now, kneeling for one game standing for others , good grief Is it? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HuttonDressedAsLahm Posted June 11, 2021 Share Posted June 11, 2021 7 minutes ago, Merkland Red said: Surely the fact it's caused so much seethe the past week shows it's not an empty gesture and drives debate? That's certainly one unintended outcome of being a cement-headed troll. Force it to be an issue in the public sphere. When one side is every professional footballer and every 'sensible' pundit/commentator, and the rest is the likes of Kate Hooey*, Melanie Phillips* a failed actor turned London mayor candidate*, and the rest of gammon country, you know where you stand. *to be clear I don't know where they stand on this issue, but it would be consistent with many other moronic positions they take. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melanius Mullarkey Posted June 11, 2021 Share Posted June 11, 2021 Solidarity with our English and Welsh brothers against the racist bigots. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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BigDoddyKane Posted June 11, 2021 Share Posted June 11, 2021 6 minutes ago, Antiochas III said: Is it? well yes imo, you put out a statement one day and then another statement saying different the next day, you clearly haven't thought it through properly in the first place -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lennyzer0 Posted June 11, 2021 Share Posted June 11, 2021 2 minutes ago, Fratelli said: Further proof, if any was needed, that football players are not employed for their brains. We should be kneeling, full stop, and what I'm sure some PR guy thought was clever word play about standing against racism doesn't make that any less true. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigDoddyKane Posted June 11, 2021 Share Posted June 11, 2021 great build up by Scotland when we should be focused on the football we have managed to get involved in a racism storm for no reason, lets hope thats the end of it but as we are still standing for some games lets see how the internet reacts as that seems to be who will be deciding if acceptable or not -2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antiochas III Posted June 11, 2021 Share Posted June 11, 2021 8 minutes ago, BigDoddyKane said: great build up by Scotland when we should be focused on the football we have managed to get involved in a racism storm for no reason, lets hope thats the end of it but as we are still standing for some games lets see how the internet reacts as that seems to be who will be deciding if acceptable or not Well there was silence for the other 5 games we played this year doing it... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
latapythelegend Posted June 11, 2021 Share Posted June 11, 2021 33 minutes ago, Merkland Red said: Surely the fact it's caused so much seethe the past week shows it's not an empty gesture and drives debate? No, it is giving racists the spotlight and is only giving them encouraged. You can't debate with a racist when it is firmly engrained in their personality. -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DukDukGoose Posted June 11, 2021 Share Posted June 11, 2021 9 minutes ago, latapythelegend said: No, it is giving racists the spotlight and is only giving them encouraged. You can't debate with a racist when it is firmly engrained in their personality. Well there's no point in doing anything is there? Racists can't be educated so let's just leave them to it. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
latapythelegend Posted June 11, 2021 Share Posted June 11, 2021 4 minutes ago, Merkland Red said: Well there's no point in doing anything is there? Racists can't be educated so let's just leave them to it. In all honesty there is very little you can do apart from throwing the book at people. Eradication of racism isn't going to be achieved by kneeling on the grass for a few seconds no matter how well-meant the sentiment is. I wish, like most people on here, that it did have an effect but it just doesn't do anything. If I'm wrong then show me because I'd love to be but I'm just honestly explaining what I've seen over the last year. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DukDukGoose Posted June 11, 2021 Share Posted June 11, 2021 Just now, latapythelegend said: In all honesty there is very little you can do apart from throwing the book at people. Eradication of racism isn't going to be achieved by kneeling on the grass for a few seconds no matter how well-meant the sentiment is. I wish, like most people on here, that it did have an effect but it just doesn't do anything. If I'm wrong then show me because I'd love to be but I'm just honestly explaining what I've seen over the last year. It's perhaps not about educating the current racists but educating the next generation. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iain Posted June 11, 2021 Share Posted June 11, 2021 4 minutes ago, latapythelegend said: In all honesty there is very little you can do apart from throwing the book at people. Eradication of racism isn't going to be achieved by kneeling on the grass for a few seconds no matter how well-meant the sentiment is. I wish, like most people on here, that it did have an effect but it just doesn't do anything. If I'm wrong then show me because I'd love to be but I'm just honestly explaining what I've seen over the last year. Quite clearly this gesture, however transient, really really upsets the racists. They don't want to be forced to think about racism, they'd rather everyone just left them to their prejudices. The garbage about kneeling 'representing Marxism' is a good example. They aren't willing to stand up and say "I'm a racist, there's nothing wrong with that", so they need to manufacture another reason to cover their opposition to explicitly anti-racist demonstrations. So I'm in favour of continuing it indefinitely. Preferably during the national anthems. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boot Agent Posted June 11, 2021 Share Posted June 11, 2021 We could take two knees. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melanius Mullarkey Posted June 11, 2021 Share Posted June 11, 2021 6 minutes ago, Boot Agent said: We could take two knees. Did someone say Tony? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GordonS Posted June 11, 2021 Share Posted June 11, 2021 2 hours ago, the snudge said: I don't think racists give a shit if someone is kneeling or not. Racists are going to be racist because they've not been educated enough to know the difference. I agree with the sentiment, obviously, but I think its lost its meaning. There needs to be tougher sanctions against the guilty parties. I think racism has very little to do with education tbh. Plenty of well-educated racists out there. Eton and Oxbridge produce loads of them. I don't understand the argument that kneeling has lost its meaning. Those who hate it are trying to pretend it's about something else, but I don't understand in what way the meaning has changed. 58 minutes ago, latapythelegend said: No, it is giving racists the spotlight and is only giving them encouraged. You can't debate with a racist when it is firmly engrained in their personality. Maybe it's time to put racists in the spotlight? 41 minutes ago, latapythelegend said: In all honesty there is very little you can do apart from throwing the book at people. Eradication of racism isn't going to be achieved by kneeling on the grass for a few seconds no matter how well-meant the sentiment is. I wish, like most people on here, that it did have an effect but it just doesn't do anything. If I'm wrong then show me because I'd love to be but I'm just honestly explaining what I've seen over the last year. Relevant to the first quoted tweet above too - tougher sanctions has been the British way against racism. It has been effective in driving it underground, but the experts in this stuff say it hasn't reduced the number of racist people or the silent discrimination. I've heard a few people say it's better to drag it out into the open, call it what it is and force people to confront it. That's what seems to have been happening in the US. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GordonS Posted June 11, 2021 Share Posted June 11, 2021 27 minutes ago, Boot Agent said: We could take two knees. What are we, the IRA? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
latapythelegend Posted June 11, 2021 Share Posted June 11, 2021 5 minutes ago, GordonS said: I think racism has very little to do with education tbh. Plenty of well-educated racists out there. Eton and Oxbridge produce loads of them. I don't understand the argument that kneeling has lost its meaning. Those who hate it are trying to pretend it's about something else, but I don't understand in what way the meaning has changed. Maybe it's time to put racists in the spotlight? Relevant to the first quoted tweet above too - tougher sanctions has been the British way against racism. It has been effective in driving it underground, but the experts in this stuff say it hasn't reduced the number of racist people or the silent discrimination. I've heard a few people say it's better to drag it out into the open, call it what it is and force people to confront it. That's what seems to have been happening in the U In what way has it been dragged into the open though? Taking the knee isn't really doing it. Literally nothing has happened in the UK within the last year to really address the issue. Everybody tiptoes around the issue with gestures. To drag it into the open you need to physically confront racists face to face. This country is quite frankly too soft to do that. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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