accies1874 Posted August 21, 2021 Share Posted August 21, 2021 11 minutes ago, RandomGuy. said: We should definitely call up any Scottish player who has a good 3 games for Celtic. A great message to send out. These shouts tend to happen for the September games. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savage Henry Posted August 21, 2021 Share Posted August 21, 2021 10 hours ago, Lyle Lanley said: Zander Clark should be in the squad. I would hope to god that Kelly is ahead of him. Clark visibly panics under pressure. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
accies1874 Posted August 21, 2021 Share Posted August 21, 2021 Sky seem to be showing full replays of the 3pm PL games through tonight and tomorrow morning if anyone's missing being able to watch all the Scottish players in the league. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PauloPerth Posted August 21, 2021 Share Posted August 21, 2021 1 hour ago, Savage Henry said: I would hope to god that Kelly is ahead of him. Clark visibly panics under pressure. You mean like in cup semi finals and finals, big cup matches at ibrox, and European nights? That kind of pressure? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2426255 Posted August 21, 2021 Share Posted August 21, 2021 (edited) Josh Doig and Stephen Welsh have been called up to the u21 squad and so they won't make the full squad which also suggests Patterson and even Hickey (perhaps unlikely) will make the full squad. Edited August 21, 2021 by 2426255 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theyellowbox Posted August 21, 2021 Share Posted August 21, 2021 Honestly, I would not be surprised to see Ralston bumped into the squad ahead of plenty of other deserving players given he is playing for Celtic. He in no way deserves a call up. He was possibly the worst full back I have seen at Saints in last 10-15 years. If he was to get in ahead of Rooney it would be a crime. Equally, as much as he is a talent, how can you include Patterson? Has he played since he came on in the Euros? I like Patterson and he is the future, but he needs game time. I'm biased, but Clark, Kerr and Rooney must be close. All 3 have carried on the form from 2nd half of last season into this season. Gauld should get a nod too, but travel restrictions might kill that. It would be good to see Ferguson in the squad too. I doubt Clarke will change just too much from the Euros, but for such key games, we cannot be playing guys who are no where near first team action. -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshmallo Posted August 21, 2021 Share Posted August 21, 2021 58 minutes ago, Theyellowbox said: Honestly, I would not be surprised to see Ralston bumped into the squad ahead of plenty of other deserving players given he is playing for Celtic. He in no way deserves a call up. He was possibly the worst full back I have seen at Saints in last 10-15 years. If he was to get in ahead of Rooney it would be a crime. Equally, as much as he is a talent, how can you include Patterson? Has he played since he came on in the Euros? I like Patterson and he is the future, but he needs game time. I'm biased, but Clark, Kerr and Rooney must be close. All 3 have carried on the form from 2nd half of last season into this season. Gauld should get a nod too, but travel restrictions might kill that. It would be good to see Ferguson in the squad too. I doubt Clarke will change just too much from the Euros, but for such key games, we cannot be playing guys who are no where near first team action. This is just a Graeme Shinnie, David Bates or Jack Harper away from a full house. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobbieD Posted August 21, 2021 Share Posted August 21, 2021 Wouldn't be surprised if Alex Mowatt made the squad 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ludo*1 Posted August 21, 2021 Share Posted August 21, 2021 St Johnstone fans back on the Clark for Scotland train again after wanting him punted about 2 month ago I see. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theyellowbox Posted August 21, 2021 Share Posted August 21, 2021 18 minutes ago, Ludo*1 said: St Johnstone fans back on the Clark for Scotland train again after wanting him punted about 2 month ago I see. Dont think you'll find too many Saints fans saying Clark is best keeper in world etc, but is he better than the alternatives for Scotland? Yes. Better than Bain, Kelly and McCrorie. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ludo*1 Posted August 21, 2021 Share Posted August 21, 2021 1 minute ago, Theyellowbox said: Dont think you'll find too many Saints fans saying Clark is best keeper in world etc, but is he better than the alternatives for Scotland? Yes. Better than Bain, Kelly and McCrorie. He's not better than Kelly. Nowhere near it and I'm not a massive fan of Kelly either. Zander Clark is having a decent wee purple spell but overall, he's a shite goalkeeper that doesn't get the basics right on a consistent enough basis to be anywhere near the Scotland squad. I think he falls into the same bracket as Bain who only has his caps due to playing for the OF. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theyellowbox Posted August 21, 2021 Share Posted August 21, 2021 15 minutes ago, Ludo*1 said: He's not better than Kelly. Nowhere near it and I'm not a massive fan of Kelly either. Zander Clark is having a decent wee purple spell but overall, he's a shite goalkeeper that doesn't get the basics right on a consistent enough basis to be anywhere near the Scotland squad. I think he falls into the same bracket as Bain who only has his caps due to playing for the OF. Will have to agree to disagree. Kelly is decent, but Clark is better at the moment. If he is in a purple patch, then surely that is when you call him up. We are too often not selecting players on form. No point saying x player was good or y player will be good. Games are now, so get best current players in the squad. 18 months ago, I'd say you'd be right about Clark, but he is really consistent now. He has cut out the mistakes and really on form. Don't get me wrong, as a Scotland fan, I wish we had better available but we dont and he is definitely worthy of a spot. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArabianKnight Posted August 22, 2021 Share Posted August 22, 2021 Ralston struck me as being a player with potential when he had his loan spell at United. Understand he didn't do too well at St Johnstone but seems to be hitting form atm. Weigh up all that and I'm on the fence about calling him up, the alternative is SOD and Palmer remember. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clown Job Posted August 22, 2021 Share Posted August 22, 2021 6 minutes ago, ArabianKnight said: Ralston struck me as being a player with potential when he had his loan spell at United. Understand he didn't do too well at St Johnstone but seems to be hitting form atm. Weigh up all that and I'm on the fence about calling him up, the alternative is SOD and Palmer remember. I wouldn’t call him up been great so far for us but we are still very early in the season and he’s only played a handful of games for us If he’s still playing like this in a couple of months, then you might have a look at him for the squad. Just not right now imo 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigkillie Posted August 22, 2021 Share Posted August 22, 2021 Ralston struck me as being a player with potential when he had his loan spell at United. Understand he didn't do too well at St Johnstone but seems to be hitting form atm. Weigh up all that and I'm on the fence about calling him up, the alternative is SOD and Palmer remember. Palmer's time is up, the alternatives are Patterson, who is much younger than Ralston and clearly has a much bigger future, Ramsey who is younger and has been no worse this season, and Rooney who has had a slightly shaky start to the season but has more of a track record than Ralston, albeit over a very short period of time. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2426255 Posted August 22, 2021 Share Posted August 22, 2021 (edited) I certainly wouldn't discount Ralston over the longer term. Steve Clark will pick a squad as close to the one which he spent a month with in May/June. While O'Donnell and Patterson aren't making themselves a stick on to be selected it makes sense to call up players who already know what they're doing in terms of the game plan and who have developed good working relationships and so I do think O'Donnell and Patterson will be called up. Scott Gemmill already indicated Calvin Ramsay will come into the u-19 squad and so we can discount him leaving Ralston and Rooney as more likely just replacements if either Patterson or O'Donnell are injured at this stage. Now O'Donnell has missed his last three games, but it would be a lot to lose all of his experience so I think O'Donnell will be called up. Patterson would have been put in the back to the the u21s surely if not selected for the full squad and so I think he'll also be selected leaving Ralston and/or Rooney on 'standby' in case either has to pull out. Edited August 22, 2021 by 2426255 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
accies1874 Posted August 22, 2021 Share Posted August 22, 2021 My squad:Goalkeepers Gordon, McLaughlin, Kelly Defenders O'Donnell, Patterson, McTominay, Souttar, Hanley, McKenna, Tierney, Cooper, Robertson, Taylor Midfielders Gilmour, McLean, McGregor, Fleck, McGinn, Armstrong, Turnbull Forwards Adams, Dykes, Fraser, Christie, Nisbet, ForrestPretty much what's expected, I think. I'm wondering if Armstrong will make it as he's not played in Southampton's first two games and has been really poor for Scotland recently. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lyle Lanley Posted August 22, 2021 Share Posted August 22, 2021 11 minutes ago, accies1874 said: My squad: Goalkeepers Gordon, McLaughlin, Kelly Defenders O'Donnell, Patterson, McTominay, Souttar, Hanley, McKenna, Tierney, Cooper, Robertson, Taylor Midfielders Gilmour, McLean, McGregor, Fleck, McGinn, Armstrong, Turnbull Forwards Adams, Dykes, Fraser, Christie, Nisbet, Forrest Pretty much what's expected, I think. I'm wondering if Armstrong will make it as he's not played in Southampton's first two games and has been really poor for Scotland recently. Souttar should be nowwhere near the squad. Don't think Nisbet will make it. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
accies1874 Posted August 22, 2021 Share Posted August 22, 2021 If Nisbet's just ill then I'd imagine he'll be fine. Souttar's been good when I've seen him and he's apparently had a great start to the season. I'm not sure who'll be picked there though. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
resk Posted August 22, 2021 Share Posted August 22, 2021 29 minutes ago, accies1874 said: My squad: ..... Fleck.... Surely it's time to quietly get rid? Especially as he's now stinking up the Championship instead of the Barclays. He's done nothing for Scotland IMHO. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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