The Horrific Saga of Chris Chan

[ICTChris]

27 minutes ago, WhiteRoseKillie said:

Excused, no. There's definitely research needed to see how far their life experience of the last few years explains the recent horrific behaviour. I fear this could be the tip of a very unsavoury iceberg. We had a horrible paedophile at my last nick who had preyed on hundreds of children in Asia for years while working as a TEFL tutor. Far from the stereotypical "Uncle Ernie" type, he was a young(ish), vegetarian new ager. He killied himself (due to bullying- even nonces have standards, apparently) before anyone could really find out what happened to initiate this spectacular level of criminality. The link to this case is, as many have realistic concerns about, the Internet and, in particular, the shadowy, password-protected areas known as "the Dark Web". While a modern wonder, the Net has undeniably led to people meeting those with common interests - and paedophilia qualifies, just as classic cars or quilting. Having their feelings validated by fellow devotees, more will go on to act upon their urges. 

There's a podcast series about this sort of thing, it's called Hunting Warhead.  Really disturbing stuff.  The guys involved in this were, as you say, young men who weren't the stereotypes you get of sex offenders.  

Appreciate you can't really speak about your work but are these guys fully segregated in UK prisons or do they have to mix with prisoners who are in for other crimes?  I remember reading about the massive growth of people convicted for sex crimes since the internet, there must be more people getting imprisoned for this stuff now than there were 25 years ago.

[Netan Sansara]

9 hours ago, ICTChris said:

There's a podcast series about this sort of thing, it's called Hunting Warhead.  Really disturbing stuff.  The guys involved in this were, as you say, young men who weren't the stereotypes you get of sex offenders.  

Appreciate you can't really speak about your work but are these guys fully segregated in UK prisons or do they have to mix with prisoners who are in for other crimes?  I remember reading about the massive growth of people convicted for sex crimes since the internet, there must be more people getting imprisoned for this stuff now than there were 25 years ago.

That podcast was very interesting, but also so disturbing. Found it a very hard listen at times.

[ICTChris]

4 minutes ago, Netan Sansara said:

That podcast was very interesting, but also so disturbing. Found it a very hard listen at times.

Yeah absolutely agree. 

 

[Antlion]

22 hours ago, djchapsticks said:

Correct. Worth also bearing in mind that Chris Chan has personally documented in the past that they are falsely claiming to transition because they are of the belief that gay women are less picky than straight women when it comes to choosing sexual partners. They have no actual intention of living as or identifying as female and it's an ongoing deception.

Regardless of bullying, there's a real piece of work in there.

Haven’t come across this in the doc but it wouldn’t surprise me given Chris’s obsession with sex (which has been there seemingly since puberty, and exacerbated by an apparent porn addiction).

However, that said, I’m not sure the trans thing was entirely a calculated ruse. There seems so far to have been deep psychological issues about her hatred of men and all things male. The self-mutilation alone should have got her assessed and ideally put somewhere secure long before she could commit crimes on others. What isn’t clear to me is whether there was any sort of genuine medical influence in her reassigning her gender. She took hormones but I’m not sure where from…?

The saddest thing so far in this whole horrible story - with the exception maybe of Patti - is the plaque on the dad’s “dream studio”. I wish I hadn’t started watching it, as compelling as it is. Maybe I’m a bleeding heart liberal, but all I can think is that Chris should have been given attention by professionals (rather than bullies who pretended they were helping by mocking her) and separated from her mother long before Barb suffered at her hands (allegedly). 

[Theroadlesstravelled]

On 04/08/2021 at 02:02, SANTAN said:

Yes joking about autism and disabilities is class patter. 

Pat yourself on the back.

Why is Chris Chan in jail yet you’re still wandering about?

[WhiteRoseKillie]

20 hours ago, ICTChris said:

There's a podcast series about this sort of thing, it's called Hunting Warhead.  Really disturbing stuff.  The guys involved in this were, as you say, young men who weren't the stereotypes you get of sex offenders.  

Appreciate you can't really speak about your work but are these guys fully segregated in UK prisons or do they have to mix with prisoners who are in for other crimes?  I remember reading about the massive growth of people convicted for sex crimes since the internet, there must be more people getting imprisoned for this stuff now than there were 25 years ago.

There's certainly segregation of prisoners, but it generally boils down to "main", i.e. geberal population, and "VP", which is prisoners classed as vulnerable, for any reason. I worked for over twenty years in a jail where this worked pretty well. The three VP units roughly broke down to one for sex offenders, one for MH and poor copers, and one for "other", which tended to be those who had been bullied on main location. Unsurprisingly, some of these then became just as bad bullies on their new wing. 

There is definitely a heirarchy of offenses inside which defines someone's status - this is by no means a fixed thing, though. When I started, drug dealers were seen as scum, just above paedophiles and actually below some sex offenders. Now, yer big dealers (of which we have a few, but not that many) are the main players, because the old-school villains (banks, jewel heists, armed robbery, etc.) are dying out - in some cases literally, but mainly becauxe if you go into a bank* with a shotgun these days, you'll struggle to find someone to point it at, let alone any cash drawers or safes to empty. 

*Actuslly, you'll probably find it's now a Starbucks or Wetherspoons..

[RH33]

2 minutes ago, WhiteRoseKillie said:

There's certainly segregation of prisoners, but it generally boils down to "main", i.e. geberal population, and "VP", which is prisoners classed as vulnerable, for any reason. I worked for over twenty years in a jail where this worked pretty well. The three VP units roughly broke down to one for sex offenders, one for MH and poor copers, and one for "other", which tended to be those who had been bullied on main location. Unsurprisingly, some of these then became just as bad bullies on their new wing. 

There is definitely a heirarchy of offenses inside which defines someone's status - this is by no means a fixed thing, though. When I started, drug dealers were seen as scum, just above paedophiles and actually below some sex offenders. Now, yer big dealers (of which we have a few, but not that many) are the main players, because the old-school villains (banks, jewel heists, armed robbery, etc.) are dying out - in some cases literally, but mainly becauxe if you go into a bank* with a shotgun these days, you'll struggle to find someone to point it at, let alone any cash drawers or safes to empty. 

*Actuslly, you'll probably find it's now a Starbucks or Wetherspoons..

Or a bank branch to hold up in first place!

[welshbairn]

If bank robbers had a union they wouldn't have got away with closing all these branches.

[ICTChris]

The move away from a cash society has changed the criminal landscape a lot.  I watched a documentary series on BBC a few months back about police corruption and it detailed in the 1970s how Flying Squad officers would tacitly co-operate with armed robbers.  One thing that were a big target were payroll robberies - everyone was paid in cash so if you had a big office or factory you had to deliver lots of cash every week or month.  The Daily Express payroll was robbed for £175,000 and the Daily Mirror robbed for £200,000 - both these would be over a million quid in today's money.  I doubt there are many offices that have a million quid in cash lying around.

It's also worth not romanticising armed robbers - I remember watching a documentary about the Brinks Mat robbery, to get the codes they poured petrol over the security guards and threatened them with being set alight.  The robbers in the Mirror robber shot and killed a security guard.  They were bad people. 

[Adam]

It's also worth not romanticising armed robbers - I remember watching a documentary about the Brinks Mat robbery, to get the codes they poured petrol over the security guards and threatened them with being set alight.  The robbers in the Mirror robber shot and killed a security guard.  They were bad people. 

You can bet that they all loved their muvvers though, heart of gold.

[Bert Raccoon]

Cheeky Chappies

[Arthur daley]

2 hours ago, Adam said:

 

You can bet that they all loved their muvvers though, heart of gold.

 

Also would only hurt “one of their  own “

[ICTChris]

This thread is completely mental

 

[Antlion]

1 hour ago, ICTChris said:

This thread is completely mental

 

Fucking hell. I genuinely can’t think of a case like this in history - someone clearly not in control of their own mind being literally stalked 24/7 and tortured into doing things for years, culminating in this. People even went through the family’s trash after the fire at their house and posted photos of Chandler’s autism assessments online. It obviously doesn’t excuse what he’s alleged to have done, but surely the latest “trolls” who supposedly encouraged him need investigated (by the police - not Twitter or YouTube).

Having finished the documentary, I’ve found it ends before another set of online harassers (hiding behind fake identities and claiming inter dimensional abilities) set out to drive Chandler fully mad, telling her her fantasy world was real and existed in another dimension. Apparently, they were also robbing her. The guy who has been making the doc is taking a break, understandably, given the criminal turn things in Chandler’s life have taken.

This fucking story. 

[Shipa]

6 hours ago, Antlion said:

Fucking hell. I genuinely can’t think of a case like this in history - someone clearly not in control of their own mind being literally stalked 24/7 and tortured into doing things for years, culminating in this. People even went through the family’s trash after the fire at their house and posted photos of Chandler’s autism assessments online. It obviously doesn’t excuse what he’s alleged to have done, but surely the latest “trolls” who supposedly encouraged him need investigated (by the police - not Twitter or YouTube).

Having finished the documentary, I’ve found it ends before another set of online harassers (hiding behind fake identities and claiming inter dimensional abilities) set out to drive Chandler fully mad, telling her her fantasy world was real and existed in another dimension. Apparently, they were also robbing her. The guy who has been making the doc is taking a break, understandably, given the criminal turn things in Chandler’s life have taken.

This fucking story. 

This is IMO the biggest legal problem with the internet. There's probably a case there of criminal solicitation or similar, but it's so difficult for the police/federal authorities to trace who/where these people are in RL (not helped by social media companies citing privacy rights when it suits them), and you would need them to be in a jurisdiction where that is seen as a crime, and that jurisdiction to be friendly to dealing with it. The internet is global, and people are committing horrible, criminal acts globally, knowing there is no global law/policing of it.

[Theroadlesstravelled]

On 08/08/2021 at 03:22, ICTChris said:

This thread is completely mental

 

The woman who made the calls. Outstanding chebage. I’d be tempted to do whatever she said as well.

 

[Sergeant Wilson]

2 minutes ago, Theroadlesstravelled said:

The woman who made the calls. Outstanding chebage. I’d be tempted to do whatever she said as well.

 

I'm not seeing any deal breakers in that.

[welshbairn]

Everyone deserves a second chance.

[Antlion]

48 minutes ago, Theroadlesstravelled said:

The woman who made the calls. Outstanding chebage. I’d be tempted to do whatever she said as well.

 

Allegedly the bras are stuffed and she suffers from a severe foot fungus which she refuses to get treated because it turns her on. Batter in.

[Theroadlesstravelled]

4 minutes ago, Antlion said:

Allegedly the bras are stuffed and she suffers from a severe foot fungus which she refuses to get treated because it turns her on. Batter in.

Meh. Had worse.