Streets of Raith Posted November 18, 2021 Share Posted November 18, 2021 Jack was magnificent in the Serbia game. He had earned his shirt in the XI for the Euros at that point. Whether he can break up the Gilmour-McGregor pairing remains to be seen. No reason to make a change at the moment. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lubo_blaha Posted November 18, 2021 Share Posted November 18, 2021 Happy to be told if I have just missed all of Jack's stand-out games - I can only judge with what I have seen. The consensus seems to be that he is a crucial player for Scotland - the statistics however seem to show that the team are better without him.What statistics are you looking at?Ryan Jack has played 8 competitive games for Scotland and we’ve won 6 of them [emoji28] 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tartan Blood Posted November 18, 2021 Share Posted November 18, 2021 45 minutes ago, Streets of Raith said: Jack was magnificent in the Serbia game. He had earned his shirt in the XI for the Euros at that point. Whether he can break up the Gilmour-McGregor pairing remains to be seen. No reason to make a change at the moment. If Jack becomes a regular for Rangers again then you'd have to assume he'd take Lewis Ferguson's spot. Getting back in the first 11? I think the consensus at the moment is firmly in favour of keeping Gilmour and McGregor together. Next in line would almost certainly be a fit McTominay, especially with the amount of CBs we have at the moment. Then Premier League player, Kenny McLean, would be next. Jack might be 5th in the pecking order. Possibly 6th if Clarke was willing to drop McGinn deep again. (I'm not in favour of this) I think he is a great player, and it wasn't so long ago I'd have preferred him to McGregor, but a lot has changed in a year. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skyline Drifter Posted November 18, 2021 Share Posted November 18, 2021 1 hour ago, StinkyGarth said: I think you are confusing great performances with great results. Whilst the rest of us think you've set out the result you want at the start (Ryan Jack = not good enough for Scotland) and have subsequently set about finding bizarre reasons to try to back your desire up. Nobody's saying he's a vitally important automatic starter for Scotland, though he probably was before his injury. The emergence of Gilmour makes it less likely he'd come straight back into the starting eleven if fit now, but the notion he wouldn't be a crucial part of the squad is nonsense. He'd certainly be first back up for Gilmour. He, along with McTominay, would also be first cover for McGregor, and probably also for McGinn. He'd certainly be ahead of people like McLean and Ferguson, possibly Turnbull though I accept he's playing a different midfield role. And for now at least, miles ahead of Allan Campbell. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snobot Posted November 18, 2021 Share Posted November 18, 2021 A game like Monday, Jack would be 100% my choice to come on for a knackered Gilmour on 75 mins if we were in a good position to close out a game. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC92 Posted November 18, 2021 Share Posted November 18, 2021 Jack's absence at the Euros definitely feels like an underrated contributor to our early exit. He'd probably have started every game and, even if you don't rate him that highly, the balance of the midfield in the Hampden matches was way off without two passers in the middle. On the other hand, he might have delayed Gilmour's emergence otherwise, so maybe it worked out for the best. He's still a really good option to have and he'd have been my first choice replacement if Gilmour had picked up a suspension the other night. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ken Deans Posted November 18, 2021 Share Posted November 18, 2021 Ryan Jack was a huge miss v the Czechs at Hampden. He would have been the answer to the Czechs high pressing game. As would have young Billy who imho is nailed on to start every game. He would be a valuable addition to a squad that has improved leaps and bounds. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
accies1874 Posted November 18, 2021 Share Posted November 18, 2021 Would Clarke have changed the formation from a 3-4-1-2 if he had Jack available for the Euros? It felt at the time (and against Austria in March) that he did a couple of things to compensate for Jack's absence. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigkillie Posted November 18, 2021 Share Posted November 18, 2021 Jack played in both systems I'd say - in the semi against Israel we had Dykes and McBurnie up front and in the final we had Dykes on his own with Christie and McGinn in behind. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delicate Flower Posted November 18, 2021 Share Posted November 18, 2021 Jack was excellent versus Serbia. Possibly other games, I can’t remember analysing his performance to any extent. He doesn’t get in the team now unless an injury to McGregor or Gilmour. The other thing here is the utter dismissal of Kenny McLean by most. I think that’s unfair. Never let us down. I’m happy with him as backup. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caledonian1 Posted November 18, 2021 Share Posted November 18, 2021 (edited) 21 minutes ago, Delicate Flower said: Jack was excellent versus Serbia. Possibly other games, I can’t remember analysing his performance to any extent. He doesn’t get in the team now unless an injury to McGregor or Gilmour. The other thing here is the utter dismissal of Kenny McLean by most. I think that’s unfair. Never let us down. I’m happy with him as backup. and a good man to have on the pitch with the prospect of penalties. I think the semi will be the first time there has ever been a Scotland game at Hampden that has the prospect of extra-time and penalties (with fans allowed in that is - I realise the Israel semi had the same scenario) Previous play-offs had that prospect at the end of the second leg and both were away. Edited November 18, 2021 by Caledonian1 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ewan8472 Posted November 18, 2021 Share Posted November 18, 2021 19 hours ago, Virtual Insanity said: I wouldn't try and engage too much with a (presumably) grown man who insists on referring to D*lgl*sh and H*ns*n. O K , V*rt**l ! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
accies1874 Posted November 18, 2021 Share Posted November 18, 2021 Jack played in both systems I'd say - in the semi against Israel we had Dykes and McBurnie up front and in the final we had Dykes on his own with Christie and McGinn in behind.He didn't play in a Scotland team that had 1 defensive midfielder with two ahead of him like we saw during the summer and beyond. Jack would've slotted into that 1 quite nicely but I'm not sure if it was to compensate for missing him. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkey Tennis Posted November 18, 2021 Share Posted November 18, 2021 2 hours ago, Caledonian1 said: I think the semi will be the first time there has ever been a Scotland game at Hampden that has the prospect of extra-time and penalties (with fans allowed in that is - I realise the Israel semi had the same scenario) Previous play-offs had that prospect at the end of the second leg and both were away. Would the Rous Cup in 1985 have gone to penalties had there not been a winner? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Binos Posted November 18, 2021 Share Posted November 18, 2021 15 minutes ago, Monkey Tennis said: Would the Rous Cup in 1985 have gone to penalties had there not been a winner? It's undoubted we would have won if it had 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
microdave Posted November 18, 2021 Share Posted November 18, 2021 Would the Rous Cup in 1985 have gone to penalties had there not been a winner?Yep. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1985_Rous_Cup 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
General dissaray Posted November 18, 2021 Share Posted November 18, 2021 10 hours ago, craigkillie said: Jack will walk into the squad ahead of the likes of McLean and Ferguson. He was a crucial player for us very briefly and has been superb for Rangers in Europe - look how much they have missed him. We don't really have another grafter like him for those big games. Campbell will need to focus on actually getting a game for the "unattractive" Luton Town before he can even think about a move or getting near a Scotland call-up. Campbell was doing really well for Luton before his injury and is back playing for them now Luton might be a smaller club but the football they play isn't unattractive and they play in the same 352 as the bonnie boys do Campbell will break into the squad soon enough possibly for a nations league game,because there isn't a lot off his type around at the moment Lots off people liken him to John McGinn meaning that he can attack or sit 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scotty Tunbridge Posted November 18, 2021 Share Posted November 18, 2021 4 hours ago, General dissaray said: Lots off people liken him to John McGinn lmao no they don’t 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greenockraver Posted November 18, 2021 Share Posted November 18, 2021 (edited) Been watching the 2nd goal again... We have a lot to thank southampton for that silky move dont think armstrong believed his luck when he seen adams waiting for the through baw. Edited November 18, 2021 by greenockraver 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Insert Amusing Pseudonym Posted November 19, 2021 Share Posted November 19, 2021 4 hours ago, General dissaray said: Campbell was doing really well for Luton before his injury and is back playing for them now Luton might be a smaller club but the football they play isn't unattractive and they play in the same 352 as the bonnie boys do Campbell will break into the squad soon enough possibly for a nations league game,because there isn't a lot off his type around at the moment Lots off people liken him to John McGinn meaning that he can attack or sit Absolutely no one in Britain bar you has ever likened him to John McGinn 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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