coprolite Posted March 14, 2022 Share Posted March 14, 2022 The oligarchs were an inspiration to our political class who stopped floating state owned businesses and gave them to their mates instead. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeartsOfficialMoaner Posted March 14, 2022 Share Posted March 14, 2022 Putin offered a deal to Abramovich and he accepted the deal, Putin offered a deal to Zelinsky and he turned it down. Who made the correct decision? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VincentGuerin Posted March 14, 2022 Share Posted March 14, 2022 21 minutes ago, DiegoDiego said: 48 minutes ago, beefybake said: Fair enough. The next question is fairly obviously who in the various UK media outlets, inc BBC, stopped programmes like this being broadcast, or printed well before now. Scared of all the London lawyers paid by the oligarchs ? Or ? There's no conspiracy, the public stopped programmes like that from being broadcast by not giving a f**k. Absolutely. It's easy to see more to it than there is, but the reality is that nobody gave a flying f**k about dodgy money coming in from Russia or from anywhere else. People were far more interested in Mourinho's press conferences than who was paying him or where the money was made. One thing that will be interesting to see is what lasting impact the current climate has on sportwashing. The questioning to Eddie Howe is a big improvement on what we got before, and I hope it continues. Likewise Tuchel being asked to answer questions about the origin of his massive salary. Hopefully they give a bit more of it to Guardiola too. It's overdue, but attitudes have shifted, ignorance of what is happening is much lower now than before, and you'll never see a club given such as easy ride over ownership again. 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICTChris Posted March 14, 2022 Share Posted March 14, 2022 I think there are a number of reasons why people didn’t care about guys like Abramovitch. One is that I think the governments and societies thought, or made themselves think, that these oligarchs were a necessary price of the transition from soviet communism to liberal democracy. These guys were ruthless and got rich in ways that are distasteful but this was the start of the new Russia. By offering the expertise and services od the world leading City we can help civilise these emerging markets. The fact that there was huge dollops of cash to be made no doubt helped people come to this view. The other reason is that it was all very exciting for the Premiership, which was dominated by Arsenal and Man Utd in the years preceding Abramovichs takeover. The top two had been the same for the previous seven seasons. Someone throwing this sort money was novel and that side of it drowned out any concerns about the source. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeeTillEhDeh Posted March 14, 2022 Share Posted March 14, 2022 BBC1 Panorama tonight, in a few minutes, at 20.00 hours. Reveal of documents that show Roman Abramovitch's corrupt acquisition of Russian oil company. Criminal cartel of low-bidders in government auction of oil company Sibneft. Abramovich paid around $250m (£190m) for Sibneft, then sold to back to the Russian government for $13bn in 2005. The way this is bring reported you'd think it was a big secret - it's been common knowledge for a long time.We were discussing it last week before this "publication".It's not exactly cutting edge journalism to prove Abramovich is a crook. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coprolite Posted March 14, 2022 Share Posted March 14, 2022 1 minute ago, ICTChris said: I think there are a number of reasons why people didn’t care about guys like Abramovitch. One is that I think the governments and societies thought, or made themselves think, that these oligarchs were a necessary price of the transition from soviet communism to liberal democracy. These guys were ruthless and got rich in ways that are distasteful but this was the start of the new Russia. By offering the expertise and services od the world leading City we can help civilise these emerging markets. The fact that there was huge dollops of cash to be made no doubt helped people come to this view. The other reason is that it was all very exciting for the Premiership, which was dominated by Arsenal and Man Utd in the years preceding Abramovichs takeover. The top two had been the same for the previous seven seasons. Someone throwing this sort money was novel and that side of it drowned out any concerns about the source. The wider political culture at the time was conducive to it as well. Remember Mandleson saying he was "intensely relaxed about people getting filthy rich" The tide hadn't yet gone out. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICTChris Posted March 14, 2022 Share Posted March 14, 2022 The woman who ran onto the set of the news was an employee of state TV. She pre recorded a statement, translation here 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergeant Wilson Posted March 14, 2022 Share Posted March 14, 2022 1 hour ago, beefybake said: BBC1 Panorama tonight, in a few minutes, at 20.00 hours. Reveal of documents that show Roman Abramovitch's corrupt acquisition of Russian oil company. Criminal cartel of low-bidders in government auction of oil company Sibneft. Abramovich paid around $250m (£190m) for Sibneft, then sold to back to the Russian government for $13bn in 2005. My flabber has never been so gasted! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
O'Kelly Isley III Posted March 14, 2022 Share Posted March 14, 2022 7 minutes ago, coprolite said: The wider political culture at the time was conducive to it as well. Remember Mandleson saying he was "intensely relaxed about people getting filthy rich" The tide hadn't yet gone out. Indeed. And a bit off-topic we now have the multi-millionaire Rod Stewart out fixing potholes and bleating about his Essex local authority. Some of us are old enough to remember when there were less filthy fucking rich and a more equitable distribution of money across society. Maybe Rod should check JK Galbraith's quote about private wealth and public squalor, because that's the world we all now inhabit. 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jagfox Posted March 14, 2022 Share Posted March 14, 2022 8 minutes ago, O'Kelly Isley III said: Indeed. And a bit off-topic we now have the multi-millionaire Rod Stewart out fixing potholes and bleating about his Essex local authority. Some of us are old enough to remember when there were less filthy fucking rich and a more equitable distribution of money across society. Maybe Rod should check JK Galbraith's quote about private wealth and public squalor, because that's the world we all now inhabit. When was this utopian period? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shandon Par Posted March 14, 2022 Share Posted March 14, 2022 31 minutes ago, DeeTillEhDeh said: The way this is bring reported you'd think it was a big secret - it's been common knowledge for a long time. We were discussing it last week before this "publication". It's not exactly cutting edge journalism to prove Abramovich is a crook. Who does Abramovich think he is eh? Scottish Power? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Steele Posted March 14, 2022 Share Posted March 14, 2022 4 minutes ago, Shandon Par said: Who does Abramovich think he is eh? Scottish Power? Oligarch wages for Utilities directors. Oh, as you were. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted March 14, 2022 Share Posted March 14, 2022 15 minutes ago, jagfox OG said: When was this utopian period? I think in the 70s directors' salaries were roughly 10 times that of the average employee, now they're more like a hundred times. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wee-Bey Posted March 14, 2022 Share Posted March 14, 2022 Elon now offering Putin a square go. She has most definitely turned the weans against him. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
O'Kelly Isley III Posted March 14, 2022 Share Posted March 14, 2022 13 minutes ago, jagfox OG said: When was this utopian period? There never was a Utopia, but the UK I lived in prior to 1979 was a fairer society. 10 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICTChris Posted March 14, 2022 Share Posted March 14, 2022 Russia want the Chinese to sell them military ration packs. https://www.cnn.com/2022/03/14/politics/us-china-russia-ukraine/index.html 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andre Bo Posted March 14, 2022 Share Posted March 14, 2022 49 minutes ago, coprolite said: The wider political culture at the time was conducive to it as well. Remember Mandleson saying he was "intensely relaxed about people getting filthy rich" The tide hadn't yet gone out. Peter Mandelson who liked to hang about on Oleg Deripaska's super yacht with George Osborne. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vikingTON Posted March 14, 2022 Share Posted March 14, 2022 1 minute ago, Detective Jimmy McNulty said: Elon now offering Putin a square go. She has most definitely turned the weans against him. If Musk really wanted to bring down the Putin regime then he could just have Tesla design all their military hardware. 11 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clown Job Posted March 14, 2022 Share Posted March 14, 2022 1 minute ago, ICTChris said: Russia want the Chinese to sell them military ration packs. https://www.cnn.com/2022/03/14/politics/us-china-russia-ukraine/index.html Steve doesn’t rate the Chinese MRE’s 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Welly boy Posted March 14, 2022 Share Posted March 14, 2022 53 minutes ago, ICTChris said: The woman who ran onto the set of the news was an employee of state TV. She pre recorded a statement, translation here Lets hope that isn't the last time she’s seen alive. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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