LongTimeLurker Posted May 15, 2023 Share Posted May 15, 2023 Just a well for the Ukrainians that Jeremy Corbyn isn't the PM: -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacksgranda Posted May 15, 2023 Share Posted May 15, 2023 On 11/05/2023 at 13:11, renton said: There were rumours of integration trials on Ukraine's Russian built fast jets some time ago. I don't think they will be trying to ground launch these. Means you won't be seeing mass waves of these given the likely size of Ukraine's remaining airforce. Having said that there was a concept that the US had been playing with where you use a cargo plane with a rear hatch. Have a dozen or so long range stand off missiles on a pallet that gets pulled out the back by parachute. Missiles deploy in the air: instant missile swarm. Waste of a pallet, imho... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted May 15, 2023 Share Posted May 15, 2023 2 hours ago, TxRover said: Konashenkov also informed of the death of the deputy commander of the army corps for military-political work, Colonel Yevgeny Brovko, who led the efforts of the personnel. "During the battle to repel one of the attacks, Colonel Yevgeny Brovko heroically died after receiving multiple shrapnel wounds," said Konashenkov.” Shot in the back probably, didn't realise the Russian army still had political commissars. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TxRover Posted May 15, 2023 Share Posted May 15, 2023 4 minutes ago, welshbairn said: Shot in the back probably, didn't realise the Russian army still had political commissars. More likely fragged by the troops while threatening to shoot them if they retreated. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MEADOWXI Posted May 15, 2023 Share Posted May 15, 2023 Zelensky visit, I'm assuming that he here to explain how to remain PM and run a country quietly and calmly for an extended period, seeing as this the third UK PM he has had to deal with since he starting dealing with a war in his country 15 months ago. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeeTillEhDeh Posted May 15, 2023 Share Posted May 15, 2023 2 hours ago, Jacksgranda said: Waste of a pallet, imho... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICTChris Posted May 15, 2023 Share Posted May 15, 2023 Lukashenko made a public appearance today, he looks absolutely haunted. Amusingly he made comments about all the Russian aerospace losses at the weekend, he has to date his appearance by the latest Russian failure. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zen Archer (Raconteur) Posted May 15, 2023 Share Posted May 15, 2023 31 minutes ago, ICTChris said: Lukashenko made a public appearance today, he looks absolutely haunted. Amusingly he made comments about all the Russian aerospace losses at the weekend, he has to date his appearance by the latest Russian failure. He looks glazed over. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hillonearth Posted May 15, 2023 Share Posted May 15, 2023 58 minutes ago, Zen Archer (Raconteur) said: He looks glazed over. Be handy when he inevitably falls out a tenth storey window in a few weeks. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted May 15, 2023 Share Posted May 15, 2023 Madame Tussauds have dropped their standards, he looks like Lenin in his coffin. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICTChris Posted May 16, 2023 Share Posted May 16, 2023 Russia fired 16 missiles at Kyiv last night, apparently including six Kinzahl hypersonic missiles. All were shot down by Ukrainian air defence. Reports are that the Kinzahls were targeting Ukrainian air defence systems - this fits with what was briefed about the first Kinzahl shoot down being an attempt tk target a Patriot battery. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted May 16, 2023 Share Posted May 16, 2023 Prigozhin's Wagner group and his sworn enemy Igor Strelkov's Club of Angry Patriots are close to openly calling for overthrowing the Kremlin, Igor repeatedly referring to the 1917 revolution. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beefybake Posted May 16, 2023 Share Posted May 16, 2023 58 minutes ago, welshbairn said: Prigozhin's Wagner group and his sworn enemy Igor Strelkov's Club of Angry Patriots are close to openly calling for overthrowing the Kremlin, Igor repeatedly referring to the 1917 revolution. Interesting interpretation of history. There were two revolutions in Russia in 1917. The first was in February . In the conflict with Germany, Russian soldiers were demoralised, refusing to fight, and running away when the enemy attacked. The country, and its people were tired of war. The Minister of War ( soon to be leader ), Alexander Kerensky, decided that the war would continue. In the July offensive, more humiliations followed. This was very much instrumental in bringing about the October 1917 revolution. The Bolsheviks came to power and promptly made peace with Germany. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TxRover Posted May 16, 2023 Share Posted May 16, 2023 1 hour ago, beefybake said: Interesting interpretation of history. There were two revolutions in Russia in 1917. The first was in February . In the conflict with Germany, Russian soldiers were demoralised, refusing to fight, and running away when the enemy attacked. The country, and its people were tired of war. The Minister of War ( soon to be leader ), Alexander Kerensky, decided that the war would continue. In the July offensive, more humiliations followed. This was very much instrumental in bringing about the October 1917 revolution. The Bolsheviks came to power and promptly made peace with Germany. Let’s not overstate…the February revolution brought a new government and overthrew the Czar…the October revolution gave the Bolsheviks control over a significant portion of the army and government, sufficient to make peace with Germany, but the Russian Civil War lasted until 1922, when the Bolsheviks really came to power, 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beefybake Posted May 16, 2023 Share Posted May 16, 2023 1 hour ago, TxRover said: Let’s not overstate…the February revolution brought a new government and overthrew the Czar…the October revolution gave the Bolsheviks control over a significant portion of the army and government, sufficient to make peace with Germany, but the Russian Civil War lasted until 1922, when the Bolsheviks really came to power, Sorry my comment doesn't quite fit into the narrative you wish to present. It is though a clear statement of fact. I suggest that you not try to deny, diminish or divert from that. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICTChris Posted May 16, 2023 Share Posted May 16, 2023 Reports that one Patriot battery was damaged in the missile barrage last night but hasn’t been destroyed. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TxRover Posted May 16, 2023 Share Posted May 16, 2023 1 hour ago, beefybake said: Sorry my comment doesn't quite fit into the narrative you wish to present. It is though a clear statement of fact. I suggest that you not try to deny, diminish or divert from that. You put the Bolshevik’s in charge of Russia in Oct 1917, they took control in 1922…sorry if that offends you. The Bolshevik’s, under Lenin, controlled Petrograd and a good portion of the army and navy…sufficient to negotiate an armistice with the Central Powers. Meanwhile, the armistice allowed the reconstituted Red Army to move against the Ukrainians and other separatists in the Don region. At that point the Ukrainians established a separate peace agreement with the Central Powers in early 1918, at the same time the Bolshevik armistice with the Central Powers collapsed. The Bolshevik’s then concluded a much less favorable peace treaty with the Central Powers (Treaty of Brest-Litovsk). This allowed full concentration of the Red Army on the various White forces…but the final victory wasn’t until 1922. I suggest that if you want to present an incorrect summary point as factual, you join the Tories. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScotiaNostra Posted May 16, 2023 Share Posted May 16, 2023 On 15/05/2023 at 21:14, ICTChris said: Lukashenko made a public appearance today, he looks absolutely haunted. Amusingly he made comments about all the Russian aerospace losses at the weekend, he has to date his appearance by the latest Russian failure. When its all over, he can get a job at Madame Tussauds 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted May 16, 2023 Share Posted May 16, 2023 4 hours ago, beefybake said: Sorry my comment doesn't quite fit into the narrative you wish to present. It is though a clear statement of fact. I suggest that you not try to deny, diminish or divert from that. I wouldn't bother arguing with TxRover, he's the fastest Googler in the West. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RuMoore Posted May 16, 2023 Share Posted May 16, 2023 14 minutes ago, welshbairn said: I wouldn't bother arguing with TxRover, he's the fastest Googler in the West. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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