Russian invasion of Ukraine

[TxRover]

1 hour ago, virginton said:

You obviously don't understand how to read for the sake of comprehension, because 'questions' is not the same as your laughably false claim that:

Deluded indeed. 

Keep on digging, everyone knows what you are, we just don’t know how deep you’ll dig before disappearing for a while again.

[vikingTON]

36 minutes ago, TxRover said:

Keep on digging, everyone knows what you are, we just don’t know how deep you’ll dig before disappearing for a while again.

Keep digging factual evidence that shows you're the biggest idiot in Texas? Glad to have your permission champ!

[welshbairn]

Meanwhile...

 

[LongTimeLurker]

On the small side for that sort of range I would have thought:

if both the fuel and explosives need to be packed into it? But still, no doubt a good way to wind up the Russians, where the safety of their naval vessels in Sevastopol and Novorossiysk are concerned regardless.

[TxRover]

19 minutes ago, LongTimeLurker said:

On the small side for that sort of range I would have thought:

if both the fuel and explosives need to be packed into it? But still, no doubt a good way to wind up the Russians, where the safety of their naval vessels in Sevastopol and Novorossiysk are concerned regardless.

Given that their three frigates are reportedly damaged, this little lovely should be enough to keep the LST’s and small patrol craft away from any combat areas. The LST’s do have a shore attack rocket battery, so that’s useful.

[ICTChris]

Once again, seems like Russia are pressing Ukraine out of Bakhmut.  Latest maps have shown 90% of the city in Russian hands.  Ukraine stopped Russia encircling the city and they went to a slow press through the main part of the settlement.  It's now pretty much completely destroyed, both by Russian assaults and by Ukraine blowing up buildings as they retreat.  It's hard to work out whether this course of action was worth it - depends on the balance of casualties and a load of other factors.

The Ukrainian counter offensive is again subject of a lot of discussion.  There's a new podcast from Kofman out where he speaks about how to assess it and what it tells us and what we don't know.  For all the predictions there are loads of unknown factors - we don't know how the newly formed Ukrainian brigades will be able to fight offensively, we don't know how well the Russian troops dug in in defensive posture will be able to defend, it's hard to know what success or failure realistically looks like.  Sweeping across the entire country and liberating it in a few weeks would clearly be a success but that's hugely unlikely.  People have often compared the Kherson and Kharkiv offensives and wondered which of these the upcoming fight will most resemble - Kharkiv was a rapid series of victories that saw Russian lines break but Kherson was more of a press and ended with liberation of the city but Russia managing to escape with most of their weapons and forces intact, which had a significant impact on the war subsequently.  It's impossible to predict as we don't even know where the offensive will be - Kherson?  Zaporhizia (Ukraine has actually made some small gains there in recent weeks)?  Donbass?

In other news, an internal report has been leaked that criticses Amnesty International's report from last year that concluded Ukrainian forces had breached international law and endangered civilians.  Five indepdendent international humanitarian law experts reported that Amnesty's conclusions that Ukraine had violated international law were not substaniated by the evidence.  The full report was not published by Amnesty but was leaked to the New York Times, you can read it here - https://int.nyt.com/data/documenttools/revised-final-report-of-legal-review-panel-amnesty-international-ukraine-press-release-02-02-2023/35ae76eaaa90405e/full.pdf

It's pretty damning.  In the aftermath of the report at the time and now with the publication of this report quite a few of the reporters and correspondants on the ground spoke about how Amensty staff behaved, how arrogant and ignortant of basic facts some of the authors of the initial report were.  Amnesty have also faced criticism for their coverage of the war in Karabakh, where they were accused of 'both sides'-ing the targeting of civilians and settlements.

Also, Russia has launched a missile attack on Kyiv, the first to hit the capital in nearly two months.  Other missiles have killed civilians, including children, in Dnipro and Uman.

Edited April 28, 2023 by ICTChris

[LongTimeLurker]

 

 

 

 

[Guest]

14 hours ago, ICTChris said:

Once again, seems like Russia are pressing Ukraine out of Bakhmut.  Latest maps have shown 90% of the city in Russian hands.  Ukraine stopped Russia encircling the city and they went to a slow press through the main part of the settlement.  It's now pretty much completely destroyed, both by Russian assaults and by Ukraine blowing up buildings as they retreat.  It's hard to work out whether this course of action was worth it - depends on the balance of casualties and a load of other factors.

The Ukrainian counter offensive is again subject of a lot of discussion.  There's a new podcast from Kofman out where he speaks about how to assess it and what it tells us and what we don't know.  For all the predictions there are loads of unknown factors - we don't know how the newly formed Ukrainian brigades will be able to fight offensively, we don't know how well the Russian troops dug in in defensive posture will be able to defend, it's hard to know what success or failure realistically looks like.  Sweeping across the entire country and liberating it in a few weeks would clearly be a success but that's hugely unlikely.  People have often compared the Kherson and Kharkiv offensives and wondered which of these the upcoming fight will most resemble - Kharkiv was a rapid series of victories that saw Russian lines break but Kherson was more of a press and ended with liberation of the city but Russia managing to escape with most of their weapons and forces intact, which had a significant impact on the war subsequently.  It's impossible to predict as we don't even know where the offensive will be - Kherson?  Zaporhizia (Ukraine has actually made some small gains there in recent weeks)?  Donbass?

In other news, an internal report has been leaked that criticses Amnesty International's report from last year that concluded Ukrainian forces had breached international law and endangered civilians.  Five indepdendent international humanitarian law experts reported that Amnesty's conclusions that Ukraine had violated international law were not substaniated by the evidence.  The full report was not published by Amnesty but was leaked to the New York Times, you can read it here - https://int.nyt.com/data/documenttools/revised-final-report-of-legal-review-panel-amnesty-international-ukraine-press-release-02-02-2023/35ae76eaaa90405e/full.pdf

It's pretty damning.  In the aftermath of the report at the time and now with the publication of this report quite a few of the reporters and correspondants on the ground spoke about how Amensty staff behaved, how arrogant and ignortant of basic facts some of the authors of the initial report were.  Amnesty have also faced criticism for their coverage of the war in Karabakh, where they were accused of 'both sides'-ing the targeting of civilians and settlements.

Also, Russia has launched a missile attack on Kyiv, the first to hit the capital in nearly two months.  Other missiles have killed civilians, including children, in Dnipro and Uman.

I suppose that leak at least shows Amnesty to have quite robust internal scrutiny. However, when such internal criticism is this significant then Amnesty should have themselves made it public.

[beefybake]

19 hours ago, ICTChris said:

Once again, seems like Russia are pressing Ukraine out of Bakhmut.  Latest maps have shown 90% of the city in Russian hands.  Ukraine stopped Russia encircling the city and they went to a slow press through the main part of the settlement.  It's now pretty much completely destroyed, both by Russian assaults and by Ukraine blowing up buildings as they retreat.  It's hard to work out whether this course of action was worth it - depends on the balance of casualties and a load of other factors.

The Ukrainian counter offensive is again subject of a lot of discussion.  There's a new podcast from Kofman out where he speaks about how to assess it and what it tells us and what we don't know.  For all the predictions there are loads of unknown factors - we don't know how the newly formed Ukrainian brigades will be able to fight offensively, we don't know how well the Russian troops dug in in defensive posture will be able to defend, it's hard to know what success or failure realistically looks like.  Sweeping across the entire country and liberating it in a few weeks would clearly be a success but that's hugely unlikely.  People have often compared the Kherson and Kharkiv offensives and wondered which of these the upcoming fight will most resemble - Kharkiv was a rapid series of victories that saw Russian lines break but Kherson was more of a press and ended with liberation of the city but Russia managing to escape with most of their weapons and forces intact, which had a significant impact on the war subsequently.  It's impossible to predict as we don't even know where the offensive will be - Kherson?  Zaporhizia (Ukraine has actually made some small gains there in recent weeks)?  Donbass?

In other news, an internal report has been leaked that criticses Amnesty International's report from last year that concluded Ukrainian forces had breached international law and endangered civilians.  Five indepdendent international humanitarian law experts reported that Amnesty's conclusions that Ukraine had violated international law were not substaniated by the evidence.  The full report was not published by Amnesty but was leaked to the New York Times, you can read it here - https://int.nyt.com/data/documenttools/revised-final-report-of-legal-review-panel-amnesty-international-ukraine-press-release-02-02-2023/35ae76eaaa90405e/full.pdf

It's pretty damning.  In the aftermath of the report at the time and now with the publication of this report quite a few of the reporters and correspondants on the ground spoke about how Amensty staff behaved, how arrogant and ignortant of basic facts some of the authors of the initial report were.  Amnesty have also faced criticism for their coverage of the war in Karabakh, where they were accused of 'both sides'-ing the targeting of civilians and settlements.

Also, Russia has launched a missile attack on Kyiv, the first to hit the capital in nearly two months.  Other missiles have killed civilians, including children, in Dnipro and Uman.

Quite an effort being made to discredit Amnesty International.  

[TxRover]

44 minutes ago, beefybake said:

Quite an effort being made to discredit Amnesty International.  

Looks more like an effort to discredit a particular report as biased and not transparent. Given the number of reports they issue without such a ruckus, it calls for some scrutiny of both the report and the claims.

[beefybake]

1 hour ago, TxRover said:

Looks more like an effort to discredit a particular report as biased and not transparent. Given the number of reports they issue without such a ruckus, it calls for some scrutiny of both the report and the claims.

On the contrary, in those circumstances I'd prefer to accept the general thrust of what was reported. It was a Press Release, not a line by line

description of what, why, where and when events happened. 

There's far too many countries and political powers involved in supporting and supplying Ukraine, with skin in the game of proving,

or at least reassuring the various publics, that Ukraine only kills the baddies..... not to question what exactly prompted the

the motivations of those who forced the further investigation.  

 

[TxRover]

47 minutes ago, beefybake said:

On the contrary, in those circumstances I'd prefer to accept the general thrust of what was reported. It was a Press Release, not a line by line

description of what, why, where and when events happened. 

There's far too many countries and political powers involved in supporting and supplying Ukraine, with skin in the game of proving,

or at least reassuring the various publics, that Ukraine only kills the baddies..... not to question what exactly prompted the

the motivations of those who forced the further investigation.  

 

As I note, this needs a more in depth look. The initial report was poorly documented and had some issues, the follow ons were jumped on by both sides to push their agendas.

[Richey Edwards]

Russian men are probably all infertile. Thanks Chernobyl.

[Salvo Montalbano]

8 hours ago, Richey Edwards said:

Russian men are probably all infertile. Thanks Chernobyl.

Chernobyl, of course, is famously in Ukraine...

[Richey Edwards]

4 minutes ago, Salvo Montalbano said:

Chernobyl, of course, is famously in Ukraine...

I know. It's a Peep Show quote.

[Salvo Montalbano]

20 minutes ago, Richey Edwards said:

I know. It's a Peep Show quote.

Fair enough. I know it, I enjoy it, I'm not conversant enough in it to quote it.

[Mr Waldo]

On 26/04/2023 at 19:49, LongTimeLurker said:

On the small side for that sort of range I would have thought:

if both the fuel and explosives need to be packed into it? But still, no doubt a good way to wind up the Russians, where the safety of their naval vessels in Sevastopol and Novorossiysk are concerned regardless.

That's the baby with a range of 100km.  The big boy is reported to have a range of 1,200km

[ICTChris]

Some random beardo on Russian TV says Russia should train 15,000 Scottish terrorists in Siberia. 

 

Tag which P&Bers you think would volunteer to be trained in Siberia.

[Dev]

20 hours ago, beefybake said:

On the contrary, in those circumstances I'd prefer to accept the general thrust of what was reported. It was a Press Release, not a line by line

description of what, why, where and when events happened. 

There's far too many countries and political powers involved in supporting and supplying Ukraine, with skin in the game of proving,

or at least reassuring the various publics, that Ukraine only kills the baddies..... not to question what exactly prompted the

the motivations of those who forced the further investigation.  

 

Hi

Have you ever had any direct dealings with organisations such as Amnesty International?

[TxRover]

3 hours ago, ICTChris said:

Some random beardo on Russian TV says Russia should train 15,000 Scottish terrorists in Siberia. 

 

Tag which P&Bers you think would volunteer to be trained in Siberia.

You know he’s not serious when he gets the names wrong…Scottish “Freedom Fighters” is the correct usage.

As for who, “The VT Brigade”?