ICTChris Posted April 20 Share Posted April 20 The US House of Representatives has passed a bill providing aid for Ukraine, to the tune of $61bn. The Senate still need to pass it and then Biden will sign it into law. I don’t know if passing the Senate will be a challenge, yank politics is not really my thing. The aid, if it arrives, will be crucial for fortifying Ukraines defences. Russia is expected to launch an offensive during the summer and is pressing in a number of areas of the front. Ukraine has suffered from shell hunger with European allies, led by the Czechs, attempting to source artillery ammunition in the last few weeks and months. Russia has continued strikes on Ukrainian infrastructure, including civilian targets with a particularly grisly attack happening a few days ago in Chernihiv, with 18 civilians killed including several children. Power plants supplying Kyiv and Kharkiv have also been hit, with shortage of air defence munitions blamed. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oystercatcher Posted April 20 Share Posted April 20 How does Ukraine pay that back? The USA is in a shit state. Will this be honoured once unfortunately trump is inevitably president again 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TxRover Posted April 20 Share Posted April 20 1 hour ago, ICTChris said: The US House of Representatives has passed a bill providing aid for Ukraine, to the tune of $61bn. The Senate still need to pass it and then Biden will sign it into law. I don’t know if passing the Senate will be a challenge, yank politics is not really my thing. The aid, if it arrives, will be crucial for fortifying Ukraines defences. Russia is expected to launch an offensive during the summer and is pressing in a number of areas of the front. Ukraine has suffered from shell hunger with European allies, led by the Czechs, attempting to source artillery ammunition in the last few weeks and months. Russia has continued strikes on Ukrainian infrastructure, including civilian targets with a particularly grisly attack happening a few days ago in Chernihiv, with 18 civilians killed including several children. Power plants supplying Kyiv and Kharkiv have also been hit, with shortage of air defence munitions blamed. Passing the Senate is a formality, and may happen tomorrow. 18 minutes ago, Oystercatcher said: How does Ukraine pay that back? The USA is in a shit state. Will this be honoured once unfortunately trump is inevitably president again It's not a loan, it's aid. Generally, that aid is given effectively as a credit card to use at U.S. contractors and the DoD. Trump's been slipping in the polls for months, and is now either even or behind in most recent polls...however, of course, polls right now don't mean d**k. As for the question, yes, it's authorized and designated. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TxRover Posted April 20 Share Posted April 20 Amendment proposed to the Aid Bill to rename Majorie Taylor Greene's Office the Neville Chamberlain Room...sadly, it doesn't look like it passed. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MazzyStar Posted April 20 Share Posted April 20 28 minutes ago, Oystercatcher said: How does Ukraine pay that back? The USA is in a shit state. Will this be honoured once unfortunately trump is inevitably president again They’ve paid with relentless economic shock therapy and the complete destruction of any Ukrainian industries by US and European corporations. Even Ukrainian farmland isn’t safe from this: https://www.oaklandinstitute.org/new-report-take-over-ukrainian-agricultural-land Zelenskyy has also attempted to ban trade unions, which even the EU thinks is extreme https://www.socialeurope.eu/eu-concerned-by-ukraines-controversial-labour-reforms 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tartan Dave Posted April 20 Share Posted April 20 Those numbers are staggering to me. 60+ billion. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alta-pete Posted April 20 Share Posted April 20 (edited) 33 minutes ago, MazzyStar said: They’ve paid with relentless economic shock therapy and the complete destruction of any Ukrainian industries by US and European corporations. Even Ukrainian farmland isn’t safe from this: https://www.oaklandinstitute.org/new-report-take-over-ukrainian-agricultural-land Zelenskyy has also attempted to ban trade unions, which even the EU thinks is extreme https://www.socialeurope.eu/eu-concerned-by-ukraines-controversial-labour-reforms There’s the rub. Just by dint of geography do you prefer the devil or the deep blue sea? A compromise sometimes just isn’t available. Capitulate now to a mortal enemy or mortgage the farm with a hope to maybe one day repay the debt? I know which I’d choose. Edited April 20 by alta-pete 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freedom Farter Posted April 20 Share Posted April 20 (edited) 14 hours ago, MazzyStar said: They’ve paid with relentless economic shock therapy and the complete destruction of any Ukrainian industries by US and European corporations. Even Ukrainian farmland isn’t safe from this: https://www.oaklandinstitute.org/new-report-take-over-ukrainian-agricultural-land Zelenskyy has also attempted to ban trade unions, which even the EU thinks is extreme https://www.socialeurope.eu/eu-concerned-by-ukraines-controversial-labour-reforms Nothing new, sadly. Even with the events of late 2013, folk forget the less than helpful role the EU and IMF played: ihttps://www.reuters.com/article/us-ukraine-russia-deal-special-report/special-report-why-ukraine-spurned-the-eu-and-embraced-russia-idUSBRE9BI0DZ20131219/ Ukrainians had been getting a raw economic deal since 1991. I remember a Marcel Theroux (brother of Louis) documentary in 2012 on Kyiv's thousands of homeless children. That Ukrainians were already among the poorest people in Europe has made me all the angrier at the violence perpetrated against them since 2014 (furthered since 2022). Edited April 21 by Freedom Farter 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICTChris Posted April 23 Share Posted April 23 Rishi Sunak has announced a new military aid package from the UK for Ukraine. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-68878627 The package includes 60 boats, including offshore and rigid raiding craft, dive boats and maritime guns 1600 missiles, both strike and air defence, including the Storm Shadow laser-guided missiles 400 vehicles, including 160 protected Husky vehicles, 162 armoured vehicles and 78 ATVs 4 million rounds of small arm ammunition 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KirkySuperSub Posted April 23 Share Posted April 23 You sure that's an Ukrainian military aid package, and not his plans to stop the boats crossing the channel??! 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICTChris Posted April 25 Share Posted April 25 The US sent ATACMS to Ukraine several weeks ago and it’s already been used in at least two strikes, reports Politico. https://www.politico.com/news/2024/04/24/us-long-range-missiles-ukraine-00154110 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergeant Wilson Posted April 25 Share Posted April 25 On 23/04/2024 at 10:17, ICTChris said: Rishi Sunak has announced a new military aid package from the UK for Ukraine. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-68878627 The package includes 60 boats, including offshore and rigid raiding craft, dive boats and maritime guns 1600 missiles, both strike and air defence, including the Storm Shadow laser-guided missiles 400 vehicles, including 160 protected Husky vehicles, 162 armoured vehicles and 78 ATVs 4 million rounds of small arm ammunition I hope they stop moaning about not getting stuff now. I was starting to get a bit fed up with them 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newbornbairn Posted April 26 Share Posted April 26 20 hours ago, Sergeant Wilson said: I hope they stop moaning about not getting stuff now. I was starting to get a bit fed up with them Channelling your inner FDR there Sarge? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Claudia Gentile Posted April 26 Share Posted April 26 22 hours ago, Sergeant Wilson said: I hope they stop moaning about not getting stuff now. I was starting to get a bit fed up with them No tanks. Disappointing. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KirkySuperSub Posted April 26 Share Posted April 26 2 hours ago, Claudia Gentile said: No tanks. Disappointing. Ffs, Zelensky's an ignorant c**t, a wee "tanks" or "tank you" goes a long way! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newbornbairn Posted May 2 Share Posted May 2 Russia reportedly using chemical weapons in Ukraine. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-68941220 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TxRover Posted May 2 Share Posted May 2 1 hour ago, Newbornbairn said: Russia reportedly using chemical weapons in Ukraine. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-68941220 Makes the ATACMs deliveries a little more understandable after the earlier rejections. With PrSM now in production, and using MLRS and HIMARS compatible containerization, it’s likely even more ATACMs will be delivered to Ukraine, possibly including the unitary warhead version (big boom versus lots of little bangs), which would significantly increase the threat to Russian “hard targets” currently beyond HIMARS range. The current ATACMs being provided are the bomblet warhead version (oldest block), and are being drawn down in lieu of missile life upgrades in light of PrSM’s rollout. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICTChris Posted May 10 Share Posted May 10 Seems like Russia are in the early stages of a major offensive - significant attacks occurred in Kharkiv region today, that Ukraine says it has repulsed but there are strong indications that more are to come. Some reports indicate that tens of thousands of Russian troops have been massed across the border for the offensive and that the attacks in the last day or so are probing attacks. Reserve units were sent by Ukraine to the area - that's probably one of the dangers Ukraine faces is that they have to pull forces from one part of the front to cover attacks in another. It's possible that Russia will increase the scales of their attacks in Kharkiv or will attack elsewhere to exploit this. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TxRover Posted May 10 Share Posted May 10 Seems the Russians have been getting some SRBM’s from North Korea. https://www.reuters.com/world/ukraine-examines-nkorean-missile-debris-amid-fears-moscow-pyongyang-axis-2024-05-07/ There are pros and cons to this. It means the North Koreans have fewer KN-23’s and KN-24’s to threaten South Korea and Japan with (reported exported about 50 to Russia), but it also means they are getting flight test and actual use data (about 50% are malfunctioning) to improve their design and future missiles. It’s also likely the Russians will be sharing some technical expertise with the North Koreans in the hopes of receiving better weapons going forward…much like they are likely doing with Iran. This may well be the most dangerous consequence of the war in Ukraine, especially if Russia ends up losing. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICTChris Posted May 12 Share Posted May 12 (edited) Shiogu out as Russian defence minister, moved to secretary of the Security Council. Gerasimov stays as Chief of the General staff. Edited May 12 by ICTChris 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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