101 Posted March 9, 2022 Share Posted March 9, 2022 Vouge editorial keeping Israel sweet, by failing to mention their frequent mortar attacks on civilians. Bizzare that two of the countries offering to mediate don't seem to have much issue dropping bombs on civilians when it suits them. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Welly boy Posted March 9, 2022 Share Posted March 9, 2022 13 minutes ago, Florentine_Pogen said: Mariupol city council earlier said in a Facebook post that a children’s hospital had been destroyed by Russian forces on Wednesday. The destruction is colossal. The building of the medical facility where the children were treated recently is completely destroyed. Information on casualties is being clarified. In a Facebook video, the head of the regional military administration, Pavlo Kyrylenko, said: The maternity ward in the city centre, the children’s ward and the therapy ward at the hospital - all destroyed in a Russian air raid on Mariupol. NATO No fly zone seems a better idea by the hour!! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jedi Posted March 9, 2022 Share Posted March 9, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, WATTOO said: It appears that a "deal" has already been agreed, or if not, pretty close. FTSE back up to 7,100 and DJ has rocketed over 550 on opening. https://uk.advfn.com/stock-market/stock-news/87501333/european-midday-briefing-stocks-rally-as-ukraine So if Zelensky does agree to 'no NATO' and recognises Donbas and Crimea as Russian, what happens next? Difficult to see the fighting stopping before the Russians take Kyiv. That scenario coupled with (if true) the No NATO/Donbas-Crimea, could lead to a pause in hostilities, but only if Russia pull their troops out, would there be a pause in guerrilla fighting. Edited March 9, 2022 by Jedi 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted March 9, 2022 Share Posted March 9, 2022 6 minutes ago, Jedi said: So if Zelensky does agree to 'no NATO' and recognises Donbas and Crimea as Russian, what happens next? Difficult to see the fighting stopping before the Russians take Kyiv. That scenario coupled with (if true) the No NATO/Donbas-Crimea, could lead to a pause in hostilities, but only if Russia pull their troops out, would there be a pause in guerrilla fighting. Who knows what private backroom deals are being done, the one thing I know for sure is that the reality that the general public are spoon fed tends to be a different reality to what's happening at the highest levels behind the scenes. Forget all the bluster and the humanitarian stuff, none of that really matters in the bigger picture as we're all expendable, we always have been and we always will be. "Follow the money" is as true today as ever, so on the one hand we've got the alleged hit on the hospital (alleged as unconfirmed) and on the other the FTSE has continued its climb and is sitting up 186 points as I type with the Dow currently up 575 points, that's all that matters, not actual people I'm afraid...... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DiegoDiego Posted March 9, 2022 Share Posted March 9, 2022 "Russia only has two allies: the army and the navy."- Tsar Alexander III 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurkst Posted March 9, 2022 Share Posted March 9, 2022 33 minutes ago, DiegoDiego said: With Russia pretty much out of the game, the UK becomes the world's largest exporter of palladium. Price is rising. Will ask the missus tonight if she minds our wedding rings going on ebay... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melanius Mullarkey Posted March 9, 2022 Share Posted March 9, 2022 37 minutes ago, DiegoDiego said: With Russia pretty much out of the game, the UK becomes the world's largest exporter of palladium. Price is rising. Glen Michael will be fucking delighted. 12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jedi Posted March 9, 2022 Share Posted March 9, 2022 Very true, no doubt there will be backroom deals going on. Interesting that Zelensky has moved from 'we will fight them in the forests' for Westminster yesterday, to No NATO, and okay on Donbas/Crimea today. Obviously if a ceasefire can be wrought out of his current position it is good news in the sense of stopping people dying in the immediate future, but wonder about the withdrawal of Russian troops, couldn't be any ongoing army of occupation. If Zelensky was offered that, he would be mad not to go along with No NATO, Donbas/Crimea. On the Russian side it may even be that they don't want sanctions continuing longer term....or maybe they just want Medvedev to win Wimbledon. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Detournement Posted March 9, 2022 Share Posted March 9, 2022 2 minutes ago, Jedi said: If Zelensky was offered that, he would be mad not to go along with No NATO, Donbas/Crimea. It depends on what his handlers allow him to agree to. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICTChris Posted March 9, 2022 Share Posted March 9, 2022 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottsdad Posted March 9, 2022 Share Posted March 9, 2022 5 minutes ago, ICTChris said: Johnson and the UK in second place behind Zelincky? Jesus wept 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Waldo Posted March 9, 2022 Share Posted March 9, 2022 An article giving an opinion on what Russia will need to occupy eastern Ukaine. It might explain why Putin may accept less than a 'total victory'. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Florentine_Pogen Posted March 9, 2022 Share Posted March 9, 2022 Johnson and the UK in second place behind Zelincky? Jesus weptThis table obviously concocted by a tripartite axis of Gavin Williamson, Nadine Dorries and Liz Truss. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacksgranda Posted March 9, 2022 Share Posted March 9, 2022 3 hours ago, Snafu said: Have heard that the hacker collective known as Anonymous have declared cyber war on Putin and anything Russian owned is fair game. Anyone have Kapersky security? The mainstream US media see this as an opportunity to spread fear over retaliation from Russian hackers. All we need now is for 4Chan to get involved and its game over. P&B to spam Russian football websites with Spiderman and Ainsley Harriott memes. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TommyDickFingers Posted March 9, 2022 Share Posted March 9, 2022 8 hours ago, virginton said: There's probably none quite so stupid and desperate to make itself a historical martyr yet again as Poland though. Poland has a land border with Belarus and looms over the key Baltic base of Kaliningrad. Those are two potential tripwires that can set off WW3. It should therefore be nowhere near offering military aid: Poland is already doing its role in a NATO capacity by simply keeping its borders open for refugees and as a conduit for supplies. Poland and other neighbouring states can supply credits to Ukraine's government to purchase equipment from a third country if they want to affect the military situation. That degree of plausible deniability is crucial to lower the risk of the conflict escalating. My point was more with regard to the ability procure locally these air assets(F-16) if NATO decided it was a viable option. I'm aware of the geography but isn't Poland pretty much a logistics hub already for arms into Ukraine? The need for plausible deniability, whilst I agree makes perfect sense politically would appear less important in the real world as Polish/American/British amongst others ATGM and MANPADS are destroying Russian assets daily. Speaking of which, talk of Britain sending the Starstreak system over. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
itzdrk Posted March 9, 2022 Share Posted March 9, 2022 16 minutes ago, ICTChris said: What's the context of this? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongTimeLurker Posted March 9, 2022 Share Posted March 9, 2022 36 minutes ago, Jedi said: So if Zelensky does agree to 'no NATO' and recognises Donbas and Crimea as Russian, what happens next? ... Probably a huge argument over whether recognising Donbas as Russian means the 2014 contact line or the entire oblasts. Putin probably wants/needs a face-saving exit but seeing will be believing at this point. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ICTChris Posted March 9, 2022 Share Posted March 9, 2022 2 minutes ago, itzdrk said: What's the context of this? US polling company has surveyed Ukrainians for their views on those leaders and institutions. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
itzdrk Posted March 9, 2022 Share Posted March 9, 2022 Just now, ICTChris said: US polling company has surveyed Ukrainians for their views on those leaders and institutions. Ah, cheers. Goes along with a tweet I shared in here yesterday. It seems there isn't a lot of knowledge on our reluctance to allow them to come here which would change it. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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