LongTimeLurker Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 Just now, TxRover said: ...He needs to figure out what units he can trust before he can order actions like that... Hence why it's only the Chechens being sent to Rostov. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyrshireTon Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 Just now, TxRover said: The real thing there is does Putin dare order a strike on the Wagner column? If he orders the strike and the pilots or commanders refuse, it's curtains. He needs to figure out what units he can trust before he can order actions like that, since there seem to be defections. Putin at the Norwegian border, asking for entry, is a really interesting thing to contemplate...Finland is another possibility, but the Baltics he wouldn't even think of trying. Turkey would be preferred, but thats more difficult to get to now. My father landed in Turkey yesterday and is staying for a week, so it can't be that difficult. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ClydeTon Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 1 minute ago, TxRover said: The real thing there is does Putin dare order a strike on the Wagner column? If he orders the strike and the pilots or commanders refuse, it's curtains. He needs to figure out what units he can trust before he can order actions like that, since there seem to be defections. Putin at the Norwegian border, asking for entry, is a really interesting thing to contemplate...Finland is another possibility, but the Baltics he wouldn't even think of trying. Turkey would be preferred, but thats more difficult to get to now. He can't go anywhere that is an ICC (International Criminal Court) member. The ICC has a binding warrant against him. If he sets foot in any member state he'll be in the Hague within a week. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bairnardo Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 Just now, ClydeTon said: He can't go anywhere that is an ICC (International Criminal Court) member. The ICC has a binding warrant against him. If he sets foot in any member state he'll be in the Hague within a week. Presumably he would be doing deals before setting foot in any other country. The question is, what would he have to offer..... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue Brazil Forever Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 Just now, Highlandmagar said: Most likely be enrolled onto the British Conservative Party and become their next leader. I just knew someone would blame the Tories -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ClydeTon Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 Just now, Bairnardo said: Presumably he would be doing deals before setting foot in any other country. The question is, what would he have to offer..... Ukraine. Limited Time offer, so they best act fast before it's gone! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Highlandmagar Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 2 minutes ago, ClydeTon said: He can't go anywhere that is an ICC (International Criminal Court) member. The ICC has a binding warrant against him. If he sets foot in any member state he'll be in the Hague within a week. Turkey? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Highlandmagar Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 1 minute ago, Blue Brazil Forever said: I just knew someone would blame the Tories Why not? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TxRover Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 3 minutes ago, ClydeTon said: He can't go anywhere that is an ICC (International Criminal Court) member. The ICC has a binding warrant against him. If he sets foot in any member state he'll be in the Hague within a week. 2 minutes ago, Bairnardo said: Presumably he would be doing deals before setting foot in any other country. The question is, what would he have to offer..... Exactly, better a live, deposed despot than a dead one, ask Ghaddafi. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aim Here Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 5 minutes ago, TxRover said: The real thing there is does Putin dare order a strike on the Wagner column? If he orders the strike and the pilots or commanders refuse, it's curtains. He needs to figure out what units he can trust before he can order actions like that, since there seem to be defections. Putin at the Norwegian border, asking for entry, is a really interesting thing to contemplate...Finland is another possibility, but the Baltics he wouldn't even think of trying. Turkey would be preferred, but thats more difficult to get to now. I suspect that airstrikes aren't that risky; Air forces tend to come from the more elitist sectors of society, and less likely to throw their lot in with a bunch of crooks with guns (not that they wouldn't form a coup, but they'd prefer a better class of golpista to sign up with). 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TxRover Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 5 minutes ago, AyrshireTon said: My father landed in Turkey yesterday and is staying for a week, so it can't be that difficult. Is your father someone that a PMC is likely to want dead, a PMC that has friends with fighters and missiles? 2 minutes ago, Highlandmagar said: Turkey? Correct, not a member of the ICC. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TommyDickFingers Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 Do I have enough time to nip to Tesco in BoD for cans before Ahkmat get to RoD? Spacibo. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TxRover Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 2 minutes ago, Aim Here said: I suspect that airstrikes aren't that risky; Air forces tend to come from the more elitist sectors of society, and less likely to throw their lot in with a bunch of crooks with guns (not that they wouldn't form a coup, but they'd prefer a better class of golpista to sign up with). Until the pilots hear about the helos shot down attempting attacks. High altitude attacks, sure…low altitude, which is the effective type, not so much. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ClydeTon Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 4 minutes ago, Highlandmagar said: Turkey? He could go there: He's safe to enter the orange & red, as far as the ICC is concerned. And yes, Putin would legally be able to enter the US (unless they arrest them under their own laws) 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyrshireTon Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 2 minutes ago, TxRover said: Is your father someone that a PMC is likely to want dead, a PMC that has friends with fighters and missiles? I'd have to say "no" to that one. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ClydeTon Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 Putin could do with a wee bit of flooding and a 90 minute pause of the mutiny here. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
senorsoupe Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 Many of you know that I have a very close personal connection to Ukraine so I am I am very much enjoying seeing Putin's army fighting with the mercenary army comprised in part of people who Putin had put in jail for not supporting him. This is a welcome distraction for Ukraine Jelly and Ice Cream time? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Melanius Mullarkey Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 4 minutes ago, ClydeTon said: He could go there: He's safe to enter the orange & red, as far as the ICC is concerned. And yes, Putin would legally be able to enter the US (unless they arrest them under their own laws) You could just imagine this if Donny was in charge. In through the back door. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 Just because a plane Putin uses sometimes was spotted flying west doesn't mean he was on it, same as Lukashenko's and his family supposedly skedaddling to Turkey. Safest place for him is in the Kremlin. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TxRover Posted June 24, 2023 Share Posted June 24, 2023 This is eerily reminiscent to me of the fall of the Berlin Wall…much like now, the news updates were hopelessly out of date by the time they were reported due to how quickly things changed. Even with the faster updates now, the situation is remarkably fluid. Regardless of how this resolves itself, Putin has been seriously weakened, and the Russian campaign in Ukraine is likely at an end in terms of offensive threat…the impact on the defensive is more nuanced. If the Ukrainians are smart, they will take advantage of the mess to offer generous surrender terms to Russian and DPR/LPR troops. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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