Dog Kills Man

[Raven]

5 hours ago, Michael W said:

Does anything ever happen to the owners of the dog that kill/harm people? They should definitely be prosecuted for it - they are responsible for the dog and these attacks are their own failings as well. 

Thoughts and prayers, mostly.

[hk blues]

14 hours ago, Michael W said:

Does anything ever happen to the owners of the dog that kill/harm people? They should definitely be prosecuted for it - they are responsible for the dog and these attacks are their own failings as well. 

They get prosecuted - seems most of the time from what I've read.

[SlipperyP]

1 hour ago, hk blues said:

They get prosecuted - seems most of the time from what I've read.

Even in Thailand this will happen, only problem is to identify the owner.

anyway, I relate a clip with Bill Burr about dog ownership.

From my own in-depth on the ground studies.

Dogs are very much like the dog owner. If the owner doesn't give a shite, nare will the dog. If the dog is loved and pampered like a teady bear, it will react when going close to 'their teddy bear', they see they opposite, as the owner is the teddy bear and need protected.

a well trained dog, usually always has a well trained individual in life and also know that a dog, is just a dog.

Here, you will get the occasional deaths from dogs, but should be expected with soooo fucking many running the streets, but on the most part most dogs are very respectful once they get a smell.

Coincidentally, starting a new job, I have to drive through a few new streets to work.  This is my first week, so more or less every dog was wanting a chase on my motorbike. Only in the morning when it's cool, afternoon they are all sleeping.

Only 1 kept doing it until Friday, I took a 10 litre bottle of water with me (empty) and scudded on the skull when it made its move.   I'll wait for Monday to see if he is up for the challenge.

I love their faces when they chase, then all of a sudden I stop... Hand out , shouting YOU WANT SOME.

Care to say my neighbours/village and town folk think I a little mental.  

[hk blues]

3 minutes ago, SlipperyP said:

Even in Thailand this will happen, only problem is to identify the owner.

anyway, I relate a clip with Bill Burr about dog ownership.

From my own in-depth on the ground studies.

Dogs are very much like the dog owner. If the owner doesn't give a shite, nare will the dog. If the dog is loved and pampered like a teady bear, it will react when going close to 'their teddy bear', they see they opposite, as the owner is the teddy bear and need protected.

a well trained dog, usually always has a well trained individual in life and also know that a dog, is just a dog.

Here, you will get the occasional deaths from dogs, but should be expected with soooo fucking many running the streets, but on the most part most dogs are very respectful once they get a smell.

Coincidentally, starting a new job, I have to drive through a few new streets to work.  This is my first week, so more or less every dog was wanting a chase on my motorbike. Only in the morning when it's cool, afternoon they are all sleeping.

Only 1 kept doing it until Friday, I took a 10 litre bottle of water with me (empty) and scudded on the skull when it made its move.   I'll wait for Monday to see if he is up for the challenge.

I love their faces when they chase, then all of a sudden I stop... Hand out , shouting YOU WANT SOME.

Care to say my neighbours/village and town folk think I a little mental.  

We're in a developed community so no real wild dogs but plenty of packs of 3 or 4 who have been left behind by the various builders over the years.  They're not really aggressive and don't seem to chase bikes or car - lazy f*****s in the main. In our 3 or 4 streets we have maybe 3 or 4 but they are harmless enough although my young lad is nervy when they come towards us.  From time-to-time the local community have a campaign to remove the stray dugs but it seems to go no further than putting leaflets through doors.  Only once did we have a wee issue when we went for a wander to one of the other sections and there was a pack of 5 or 6 and one was particularly vocal and snarly but we were able to escape through somebodies back garden - lucky we weren't in Texas or we'd have been shot no doubt.

 

 

[Sergeant Wilson]

1 minute ago, hk blues said:

We're in a developed community so no real wild dogs but plenty of packs of 3 or 4 who have been left behind by the various builders over the years.  They're not really aggressive and don't seem to chase bikes or car - lazy f*****s in the main. In our 3 or 4 streets we have maybe 3 or 4 but they are harmless enough although my young lad is nervy when they come towards us.  From time-to-time the local community have a campaign to remove the stray dugs but it seems to go no further than putting leaflets through doors.  Only once did we have a wee issue when we went for a wander to one of the other sections and there was a pack of 5 or 6 and one was particularly vocal and snarly but we were able to escape through somebodies back garden - lucky we weren't in Texas or we'd have been shot no doubt.

 

 

Leaflets though the doors of the dog's houses?

[hk blues]

15 minutes ago, Sergeant Wilson said:

Leaflets though the doors of the dog's houses?

Do kennels even have letterboxes? 

[alta-pete]

@AndyM and @Dugbhoy

Genuine question but why do you have dogs that you won’t trust to be off the lead? 

I’ve a labrador that spends 70/80% of his time off the lead but I always take my cue from the dogs/owners coming the other way. If they’re off, I’m 95% sure the two dogs will get along just fine. If I see what I imagine is you coming, he goes straight on his lead and we’ll give you as wide a berth as possible  

Dogs are social animals. Yes, it can very occasionally get a bit rowdy requiring someone to step in but, without them interacting with each other, they’ll never learn anything from pulling on a lead. 

A huge part of dog’s ‘fun’ is being able to go run through the undergrowth exercising both muscles and scent. If permanently on a lead that experience is denied and I think I too might end up a touch crabbit with everyone else I met. 

Now, I recognise that I have the benefit of a fairly rural location. I’m not so sure my attitude would survive too long in an urban environment but that then surely further questions why have that particular breed of dog (including a 40kg Labrador) in that sort of location? 
 

(dons tin hat.) 

[SlipperyP]

36 minutes ago, hk blues said:

We're in a developed community so no real wild dogs but plenty of packs of 3 or 4 who have been left behind by the various builders over the years.  They're not really aggressive and don't seem to chase bikes or car - lazy f*****s in the main. In our 3 or 4 streets we have maybe 3 or 4 but they are harmless enough although my young lad is nervy when they come towards us.  From time-to-time the local community have a campaign to remove the stray dugs but it seems to go no further than putting leaflets through doors.  Only once did we have a wee issue when we went for a wander to one of the other sections and there was a pack of 5 or 6 and one was particularly vocal and snarly but we were able to escape through somebodies back garden - lucky we weren't in Texas or we'd have been shot no doubt.

 

 

Ah the pack mentality. It's more or less the same as a pub full of arseholes, picking on the weaker few. Lamp the the biggest dog the rest will run. But with children, do a running, you were a good parent.

We had a scenario a few years back. At our water depo (yes I have to go and get drinking water everyday folks) There was a good pack of 15 dogs, all owned by the house next the the water dispenser.  I took my wee girl one day and was mobbed, and very scary. Went home with no water, but returned with club and hit every dog that came near me until the owner surfest   from their pit and told him, you lock them up or they all fucking go.

He built a cage/run at the back of the house and now only lets them free now and again near the water.

Crazy that nobody would say anything before....also never got a thanks from anyone, which was excepted. 

Edited May 20, 2023 by SlipperyP

[hk blues]

11 minutes ago, SlipperyP said:

 But with children, do a running, you were a good parent.

 

Cheers!

To be honest, I only made that choice because I wasn't sure I could outrun the dugs but pretty sure I could outrun my young lad! 

 

[Molotov]

6 minutes ago, alta-pete said:

@AndyM and @Dugbhoy

Genuine question but why do you have dogs that you won’t trust to be off the lead? 

I’ve a labrador that spends 70/80% of his time off the lead but I always take my cue from the dogs/owners coming the other way. If they’re off, I’m 95% sure the two dogs will get along just fine. If I see what I imagine is you coming, he goes straight on his lead and we’ll give you as wide a berth as possible  

Dogs are social animals. Yes, it can very occasionally get a bit rowdy requiring someone to step in but, without them interacting with each other, they’ll never learn anything from pulling on a lead. 

A huge part of dog’s ‘fun’ is being able to go run through the undergrowth exercising both muscles and scent. If permanently on a lead that experience is denied and I think I too might end up a touch crabbit with everyone else I met. 

Now, I recognise that I have the benefit of a fairly rural location. I’m not so sure my attitude would survive too long in an urban environment but that then surely further questions why have that particular breed of dog (including a 40kg Labrador) in that sort of location? 
 

(dons tin hat.) 

My dog spends most of his time off lead. He was socialising with other dogs from a very young age as we took him to obedience classes to teach him and also us the importance of recall and basic training skills. 

As an example he never ever takes his food without my command to “take it”. He won’t cross the road without my permission and has appropriate voice command.

Like you I’m always aware of other dogs who have not had any training. I’ve lost count of the number of owners who drag their dogs away by the lead and pass on their insecurities to the dog. 

My dog was attacked as a puppy by an out of control dog far far larger. 

My dog gets regular free run exercise. He’s 10 years old now and thankfully has been very healthy as a result of good discipline. 

[RuMoore]

There's no amount of tummy rubs and treats and nicey nice treatment that will remove a Pitbulls violent natural tendencies. They are ticking time bombs, sure you can mitigate the likelihood of a violent attack but these people that refuse to acknowledge the evolutionary element that they have a killing machine in their possession are completely delusional. 

I dont care if you think your gudboi is special, owning Pitbulls should be banned across the country. 

Edited May 20, 2023 by RuMoore

[Molotov]

I was attacked by a very large dog in the street recently whose owner could not control him and was on the lead. Dog sunk his teeth into the back of my leg as the owner lost control. I presented no threat to either of them and was at least 20 yards away with my back to them. 

I was not even out walking my dog. 

I don’t blame the dog. That’s just bad control by the owner. The owner kind of “apologised” for the incident as the dog was “a wee bit nervous being around people”. Wtaf?

I saw no point in making a big deal of it. The owner could have been carrying a knife given the area I was walking through.

Although there was a large set of teeth marks through my jeans and bruising for days afterwards no real damage was done. I cleaned it up as best I could and have monitored.

It has really bothered me as to whether I should have reported it as this could be a child or an elderly person next time.

That does bother me. I feel I have let my community down.  

Edited May 20, 2023 by Molotov

[ICTChris]

I don’t blame you for not making more of it, sometimes the hassle isn’t worth it. However, a dog that has attacked someone could easily attack again.

Anyway, a dog Walker was killed by her own American Bully XL in Croydon earlier this month.

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/natasha-johnston-surrey-dogwalker-american-bully-xl-london-b1082064.html

[SlipperyP]

As predicted,  show my killer  thread has erupted....

Puppy photo ffs

[RH33]

2 hours ago, ICTChris said:

I don’t blame you for not making more of it, sometimes the hassle isn’t worth it. However, a dog that has attacked someone could easily attack again.

Anyway, a dog Walker was killed by her own American Bully XL in Croydon earlier this month.

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/natasha-johnston-surrey-dogwalker-american-bully-xl-london-b1082064.html

Shug/Shadow dog walker takes no more than 6 out and there are two of them. They only take medium dogs for safety. To have had 8 out on way with such a huge size gap and something as strong and temperamental as an XL bulldog was disaster waiting happen.

[Molotov]

2 hours ago, ICTChris said:

 However, a dog that has attacked someone could easily attack again.

 

That’s what bothers me most. It’s an uncomfortable dilemma. I fear it will. Not seen him or the dog since. Maybe it’s killed him. 

[TxRover]

6 hours ago, hk blues said:

…lucky we weren't in Texas or we'd have been shot no doubt.

Probably by the dug.

[Dugbhoy]

7 hours ago, alta-pete said:

@AndyM and @Dugbhoy

Genuine question but why do you have dogs that you won’t trust to be off the lead? 

I’ve a labrador that spends 70/80% of his time off the lead but I always take my cue from the dogs/owners coming the other way. If they’re off, I’m 95% sure the two dogs will get along just fine. If I see what I imagine is you coming, he goes straight on his lead and we’ll give you as wide a berth as possible  

Dogs are social animals. Yes, it can very occasionally get a bit rowdy requiring someone to step in but, without them interacting with each other, they’ll never learn anything from pulling on a lead. 

A huge part of dog’s ‘fun’ is being able to go run through the undergrowth exercising both muscles and scent. If permanently on a lead that experience is denied and I think I too might end up a touch crabbit with everyone else I met. 

Now, I recognise that I have the benefit of a fairly rural location. I’m not so sure my attitude would survive too long in an urban environment but that then surely further questions why have that particular breed of dog (including a 40kg Labrador) in that sort of location? 
 

(dons tin hat.) 

It's a fair question. 

I keep my dogs on a lead because it's the responsible thing to do when you own dogs this size . 

 The akita has to be on a lead as they are a dominant breed and she doesn't tolerate high energy dogs and true to breed , she's also same sex aggressive. If your dog is laid back and respectful on approach  , she will be fine , if it tears up like a maniac  , it's not going home . 

I'm well aware that doesn't sound very nice but that's akitas and at 110lbs  , she will be more than capable of it . You fancy that off leash ?

All I'll add to that is the caucasian shepherd is three stone heavier than her and has grown up a willing and consummate apprentice (type "wolf killer " into Google or youtube)

 

Off the lead ? Never

[alta-pete]

Hmmm, okay….but you didn’t answer my question.

Why would you want dogs that behave like that? 

[Dugbhoy]

6 hours ago, alta-pete said:

Hmmm, okay….but you didn’t answer my question.

Why would you want dogs that behave like that? 

Akitas are quirky and stubborn,  to the point of extreme hilarity  , but with a guiding hand they're great dogs . They're generally healthy and good in a domestic environment.  They're also pretty low energy and rarely bark . With a decent lifespan  , 10 to 12 years , what's not to like . My akita is absolutely brilliant with people , including strangers , and is more careful around old people for some reason.  

She's my fourth akita since 97 and three of the four have all been the same , to slightly varying degrees. 

If you've never experienced an akita you won't understand the dominance "thing" . It doesn't always manifest as aggression but it's not to be tested . As an add on , I've introduced dogs to all of them , under the right conditions and they've accepted them to the extent that I used to holiday-sit my friends Siberian Husky and they all slept and ate together.  They're not maniacs  , akitas , just don't poke them with a stick . 

The caucasian shepherd.  Well , I first came across the breed about six years ago. My friend had got one despite  , at the time , being in the market for a Tibetan Mastiff. I saw his , did a bit of research into the breed , then decided to get one . 

I'd had four akitas and as you've probably guessed  , those lifespans would overlap and more often than not  , I'd have two akitas at any given time . You'll appreciate the joy of dog ownership but having two akitas also added an element of safety . 17 years of that 26 of akita ownership was spent living in Edinburgh and I could list , well into double figures  , the amount of times it was "fortunate " I had two akitas when faced with run ins with pit bulls , staffies,  rottweilers  , English mastiffs etc . 

Recently  , as in the last twenty years, but only as recently as five years ago in the UK , we've been swamped by the American Bully and the American Bulldog  , as legal and more lethal alternatives to the banned American Pit Bull Terrier. 

These dogs , to me , are now encroaching on the size division that akitas are in (large breeds) and the prospect of facing them  , instead of say rottweilers , on the walk , fills me with dread . I just want to walk my dog(s) in peace and not to be intimidated by twats with 8st penis extensions that have neither the skeletal structure or respiratory system to support their savagery  , adding to their frustrated madness. 

So , I looked at livestock guardians. The 11st repellent to the 8st problem  , like the 7 & 1/2 stone Akita is the solution to the 5st pit bull problem. Three in particular stood out . The Kangal  , the Central Asian Shepherd (Alabai) and the Caucasian Shepherd. These dogs are bred to to deal with the apex of the canine world , the wolf . They're also very pack orientated  , as you'd expect  , so protection training is a waste of money . It's in their DNA (which is a story for another time ) 

At the time , there was only one kangal breeder in Britain (who had a waiting list) , one Alabai breeder (an even longer waiting list) and two caucasian shepherd breeders (neither reputable enough) . So I imported my dog from Romania after months of negotiations for purchase and travel arrangements  , it wasn't an off the cuff decision or on a whim , so to speak. A lot of serious thought was put into it and we , Mrs Dugbhoy and I,  decided that it wasn't a bad idea . 

Ultimately  , it boils down to this . We enjoy dogs but they serve a variety of purposes for us . Some guard  , some guide and some are just there for the giggles  . 

I own the dogs I do because I know I'm safe when I take them out and I know they're coming home ....

 

..will you be taking your Lab home if he runs into an American Bulldog  , a raging American Bulldog , when he's/she's off leash at the park ?

 

I don't think so . 

 

(My apologies for the length of this nonsense  , but you did ask )