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Just now, oneteaminglasgow said:

Did the commentator just say that it'll be a rare situation for Real Madrid to be ahead in a game?

I think they did qualify it with "in a game like this" which is also bullshit but less so

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What is being overlooked in this discussion is the definition of "save". People are naturally assuming that it refers to a goalkeeper, but it also specifically includes defenders trying to block a ball which is going into or near the goal. In this case, that applies to both Konate and Fabinho, who are trying to block a shot from Valverde.

If it is a save, then the attacker is still offside, similar to if Allison saved a shot which rebounded to a player standing offside, something everyone would agree should be offside.

When Valverde plays the ball, Benzema is in an offside position. For the purposes of the offside decision, nothing that happens in between those incidents plays him onside again.

I think the odd nature of this particular goal makes that hard to swallow, since the ball deflects off to the side off two players. But imagine Benzema is standing on the line, Valverde hits a shot, it's blocked by Konate, but spins to Benzema who taps it in. In that case, again you would expect that to be ruled offside. I think it's very hard to define a rule which makes that hypothetical incident offside but not this one.

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42 minutes ago, dirty dingus said:

Why is Viniscius Jr not coming back? They know TAA strays forward and leaves huge holes at the back.

 

40 minutes ago, virginton said:

Because 'Trent' is hopeless at defending and that's their best chance of scoring. 

 

2 minutes ago, Merkland Red said:

'Trent' asleep at the back post.

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1 minute ago, Detournement said:

Forgetting the stramash is Benezema not onside here with his foot on the blue line?

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If you ignore every other part of his body that can score a goal being ahead of it, aye.

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1 minute ago, craigkillie said:

What is being overlooked in this discussion is the definition of "save". People are naturally assuming that it refers to a goalkeeper, but it also specifically includes defenders trying to block a ball which is going into or near the goal. In this case, that applies to both Konate and Fabinho, who are trying to block a shot from Valverde.

If it is a save, then the attacker is still offside, similar to if Allison saved a shot which rebounded to a player standing offside, something everyone would agree should be offside.

When Valverde plays the ball, Benzema is in an offside position. For the purposes of the offside decision, nothing that happens in between those incidents plays him onside again.

I think the odd nature of this particular goal makes that hard to swallow, since the ball deflects off to the side off two players. But imagine Benzema is standing on the line, Valverde hits a shot, it's blocked by Konate, but spins to Benzema who taps it in. In that case, again you would expect that to be ruled offside. I think it's very hard to define a rule which makes the latter incident offside but not this one.

Happy to say Fabinho was trying to block the ball, I would suggest Konate was trying to clear it.

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Just now, craigkillie said:

What is being overlooked in this discussion is the definition of "save". People are naturally assuming that it refers to a goalkeeper, but it also specifically includes defenders trying to block a ball which is going into or near the goal. In this case, that applies to both Konate and Fabinho, who are trying to block a shot from Valverde.

Aw f**k off with that btw. Looking forward to Alan Lithgow's 35 'saves' next season then by that stack of nonsense definition. 

We all know what a save is and that, sir, was not a save. 

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