Nicholas Rage Posted December 2, 2022 Share Posted December 2, 2022 9 hours ago, Number seven said: The progress of players in the set up before has not been working and youngsters are giving the game up too soon as they cannot cope with the physical side of the game having only played in their own age groups. Please open up your mind to new ideas. Scotland are as good as they've been in 20 years and have players at big clubs in England with lots of promising youth prospects on the way. The system has been working, people just aren't patent enough to realise it takes ten years to start seeing the benefits. The most recent 17s squad had 12 players from the performance schools, the first team had three in the squad, Gilmour, Patterson and Ramsey - three of the youngest in the group. We're begining to reap the benefits of the system set in place 10 years ago and should see it through, rather than trying to pivot a B-Team system that has very little evidence of being better than using loans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Number seven Posted December 2, 2022 Share Posted December 2, 2022 5 hours ago, Nicholas Rage said: Scotland are as good as they've been in 20 years and have players at big clubs in England with lots of promising youth prospects on the way. The system has been working, people just aren't patent enough to realise it takes ten years to start seeing the benefits. The most recent 17s squad had 12 players from the performance schools, the first team had three in the squad, Gilmour, Patterson and Ramsey - three of the youngest in the group. We're begining to reap the benefits of the system set in place 10 years ago and should see it through, rather than trying to pivot a B-Team system that has very little evidence of being better than using loans. Fair points but you are missing the point I am trying to make. Only a small percentage of players at this age group go on to make a career in the game because once they are told at 18 or 19 that they are not good enough to play top level football,they try lower league teams ,only to find that they cannot cope physically.Some even give the game up all together and are a loss to the game in this country. The cream will rise to the top,but many are missed because they have no where to go. Getting exposed to competitive football in the Lowland league can be of great benefit to these boys much better than the loan system you mention where managers are desperate for results and only use the players to beef up their squads. The anti b team discussion is quite sad I think . It works well in other countries but here in Scotland we’re still in the dark ages. New ideas are frowned upon and grumpily dismissed too quickly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nicholas Rage Posted December 2, 2022 Share Posted December 2, 2022 7 hours ago, Number seven said: Fair points but you are missing the point I am trying to make. Only a small percentage of players at this age group go on to make a career in the game because once they are told at 18 or 19 that they are not good enough to play top level football,they try lower league teams ,only to find that they cannot cope physically.Some even give the game up all together and are a loss to the game in this country. The cream will rise to the top,but many are missed because they have no where to go. Getting exposed to competitive football in the Lowland league can be of great benefit to these boys much better than the loan system you mention where managers are desperate for results and only use the players to beef up their squads. The anti b team discussion is quite sad I think . It works well in other countries but here in Scotland we’re still in the dark ages. New ideas are frowned upon and grumpily dismissed too quickly. On your first point, the lowland league is less physical than the top divisions - you see that every time a full time team comes to play. Yes the challenges might be a bit heavier, but the physical attributes of the players and the game is lower. That was clear on Wednesday when you saw the build and fitness of the full time Celtic players. If players are lost to the game it's not because aren't physical enough, that's not the lowland leagues problem, look at Lennon Walker playing for the BU on Wednesday. If you're good enough you'll play. If playing in competitive environments is important is it not better on loan where games actually matter? Ultimately Rangers B might run away with the league by double digit points but it means nothing. Same if they were in a relegation battle - they're not fighting for the future of the club. We're not in the dark ages, we have performance schools across the country producing technically fantastic athletes - people like yourself are dismissing this system too quickly. There are one or two B teams that have a decent track record of decent development, there's a lot more that fail and are use to park players. Anyway can't wait for tomorrows match when Rangers B come to Newtown with players bought for hundreds of thousands of pounds, most likely dominate and we're all think it's great because one day they might play for Scotland. Though they probably won't because any players they actually rate are already in the first team by that age (Lowry, King) or on loan (Kennedy / Mayo / McPake). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lithgierose Posted December 3, 2022 Share Posted December 3, 2022 Should bring back the reserve leagues. -1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lithgierose Posted December 3, 2022 Share Posted December 3, 2022 2 hours ago, lithgierose said: Should bring back the reserve leagues. Got more red dots of 8mile than boness has fans these days Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deanburn Dave Posted December 3, 2022 Author Share Posted December 3, 2022 50 minutes ago, lithgierose said: Got more red dots of 8mile than boness has fans these days Christmas cracker banter from lithgieroaster He doesn't realise that in Tier 5 it's the quality of the fans that's important not the quantity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lithgierose Posted December 3, 2022 Share Posted December 3, 2022 2 minutes ago, Deanburn Dave said: Christmas cracker banter from lithgieroaster He doesn't realise that in Tier 5 it's the quality of the fans that's important not the quantity. Just as well yous only rent. -1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deanburn Dave Posted December 3, 2022 Author Share Posted December 3, 2022 9 minutes ago, lithgierose said: Just as well yous only rent. I don't have knowledge of the rental costs and wages but I would state with conviction that the current attendance levels are not meeting those outlays. The team needs to play well, score goals and win games consistently to get the fans back. There's not been much evidence that this will happen anytime soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongTimeLurker Posted December 3, 2022 Share Posted December 3, 2022 33 minutes ago, Deanburn Dave said: I don't have knowledge of the rental costs and wages but I would state with conviction that the current attendance levels are not meeting those outlays.... Guess that's where fundraisers like the Treasure Chest also come into the picture. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GNU_Linux Posted December 3, 2022 Share Posted December 3, 2022 Should bring back the reserve leagues.The reserve league is back albeit in a rather muted form with 10 teams playing each other once. Also a 14 team reserve league cup with a group stage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Blue Brazil Forever Posted December 3, 2022 Share Posted December 3, 2022 -1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deanburn Dave Posted December 3, 2022 Author Share Posted December 3, 2022 BU 0 Rangers B 3 at halftime. Rangers keeper the busier but we haven't taken the chances. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deanburn Dave Posted December 3, 2022 Author Share Posted December 3, 2022 0-4. After several attempts Gers beat the offside flag. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deanburn Dave Posted December 3, 2022 Author Share Posted December 3, 2022 Ended 0-4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deanburn Dave Posted December 3, 2022 Author Share Posted December 3, 2022 0-4 Thought that the BU's played with more energy and intensity v Celtic B and maybe that is why the team looked a yard short of pace at points of the game today. Not enough threat up front for the BU's which allowed the Rangers defence to push up the park. Musa gifts the first goal as he should have stopped the shot. Redemption by saving a penalty only to be beaten by a really scrappy goal for 2-0. Third goal was a nice neat move and finish. Fourth goal was a pass to beat the offside trap. Eventually Rangers got the pass right after nearly 20 failed efforts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grinderbrokeyourhearts Posted December 3, 2022 Share Posted December 3, 2022 This is why the B team thing doesn’t work. Am I right in saying you’ve played Rangers twice and Celtic once in the World Cup break. Clearly a stronger team just now than they’d be in a League Cup week for example?Looks like they are both going to hose the league this year and it’s not a great look for the League. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigkillie Posted December 3, 2022 Share Posted December 3, 2022 I think the clubs hope to develop players by playing in a competitive league rather than meaningless matches against boys of their own age.These games are still meaningless for the B teams, there's no consequences whatsoever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arnie Posted December 3, 2022 Share Posted December 3, 2022 Thought Boness created as much chances as them but they were clinical Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
8MileBU Posted December 3, 2022 Share Posted December 3, 2022 (edited) 6 hours ago, Deanburn Dave said: I don't have knowledge of the rental costs and wages but I would state with conviction that the current attendance levels are not meeting those outlays. The team needs to play well, score goals and win games consistently to get the fans back. There's not been much evidence that this will happen anytime soon. The most disappointing aspect is the few (albeit very few) who have opted to go watch the other team when their and our fixtures don’t even clash. Edited December 3, 2022 by 8MileBU Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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