Bestsinceslicebread Posted August 21 Share Posted August 21 (edited) 3 hours ago, Spyro said: He needs punted ASAP. Fraser and himself have caused irreparable damage to the LL over the last few seasons by allowing the B teams in and pulling up the relegation drawbridge to save their own skins. Neither of them have an ounce of credibility left with supporters of the lower leagues 3 hours ago, welshbairn said: The Lowland League need a strong Thomas Brown. So your saying you want a strong Thomas Brown, the same guy who went onto the catch up podcast, episode 123 and basically saying it doesn't matter what Highland league and Lowland league clubs and 6th tier vote, new tier 5 and the B teams will be joining in a new conference league in the pyramid. This guy was clearly been knobbled by Maxwell and Doncaster to hep them push the Old firm youth teams in the pyramid at the time. If he's dodgy with that backing the SPFL and SFA then he will do absolutely anything else for self interest. For clarity during the Official Catch up episode 123, here is a snippet of exact transcript that was said on the show During a continued conversation Thomas brown was asked the following; Presenter: “Do you think some of these clubs voted yes for the B-teams to delay the Conference League for next season, Tier 5? and would that have delayed the... has that delayed the introduction of the Conference league for next season, Tier 5? Thomas browns reply was "Well, I think what was clear is that the Conference was coming. Again, there's lots of stuff being written about online and people's views. The Conference was coming whether the Tier 5 or 6th leagues voted it or not. This was part of a review that was carried out by the SFA. There were three options in that review. The only option that would get support off the SPFL was option 3, which was the Conference. So the other two were ruled out because the SPFL would not be able to get them through their members. The other two options included an SPFL 3 with 12 teams and an expanded SPFL 2. Now, our league's position was we would prefer an expanded SPFL 2 and an additional six teams.” So when you read further, he's going on the premise that no matter what his clubs vote that he is to look after and what the Highland league voted then it would still go through and that it was a done deal, when history shows us it was not, but just a wee guy using his position for self interest to push something through on his members. Edited August 21 by Bestsinceslicebread 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted August 21 Share Posted August 21 (edited) 1 hour ago, Bestsinceslicebread said: So your saying you want a strong Thomas Brown Yes. Scottish football needs strong administrators who appreciate succulent lamb and dae whit they're telt. Edited August 21 by welshbairn 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cannibal Posted August 21 Share Posted August 21 4 hours ago, Cowden Cowboy said: The LL doesn’t need to run rule changes past its Tier 6 pyramid leagues eg the change to FFP rules which impacts on candidate clubs seeking promotion. Likewise the SPFL doesn’t need to get LL and HL to agree to its rule changes - witness the bronze licence criteria issue. The proposal was to remove the 16 club limit for the LL and it to have the same flexibility as regards numbers as the HL - then the LL would have considered what the next steps would have been once approved I didn't say they need their permission but why would they want the specific flexibility to increase the number of members by 2 teams if they hadn't even considered how the spots would be filled? Just seems odd and unlikely especially when they are taking in £100k a year giving those spots to B teams. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cowden Cowboy Posted August 21 Share Posted August 21 (edited) 58 minutes ago, Cannibal said: I didn't say they need their permission but why would they want the specific flexibility to increase the number of members by 2 teams if they hadn't even considered how the spots would be filled? Just seems odd and unlikely especially when they are taking in £100k a year giving those spots to B teams. Not really - it would have been through promotions but the LL member clubs would have had to vote for what system would be used and timescale. No point getting into that detail when you can’t do it. Those spots aren’t being given to B teams and thus won’t fall vacant when B teams depart Edited August 21 by Cowden Cowboy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EdinburghBlue Posted August 21 Share Posted August 21 1 hour ago, welshbairn said: Yes. Scottish football needs strong administrators who appreciate succulent lamb and dae whit they're telt. This needs a trigger warning 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
To B or not B Posted August 21 Share Posted August 21 5 hours ago, Spyro said: He needs punted ASAP. Fraser and himself have caused irreparable damage to the LL over the last few seasons by allowing the B teams in and pulling up the relegation drawbridge to save their own skins. Neither of them have an ounce of credibility left with supporters of the lower leagues As much as I despise the B teams, It needs to be said that the clubs allowed the B teams in by way of a vote, and continue to do so. I am also not sure how the relegation drawbridge was pulled up?? Luckily we managed to escape the furore and were quite vocal in our opposition to it, but the clubs themselves are to blame. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted August 21 Share Posted August 21 (edited) 16 minutes ago, To B or not B said: As much as I despise the B teams, It needs to be said that the clubs allowed the B teams in by way of a vote, and continue to do so. I am also not sure how the relegation drawbridge was pulled up?? Luckily we managed to escape the furore and were quite vocal in our opposition to it, but the clubs themselves are to blame. He used his casting vote to keep them in after the "one year only, honest" season, and he's been actively promoting them throughout his tenure. Edited August 21 by welshbairn 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bestsinceslicebread Posted August 21 Share Posted August 21 (edited) 1 hour ago, welshbairn said: He used his casting vote to keep them in after the "one year only, honest" season, and he's been actively promoting them throughout his tenure. Hey basically said on the podcast Obviously it fell down to him on the casting vote but as the B teams had been a credit to the league the previous season then he decided to vote them in. But if you look deeper, Rangers were the forerunners trying to get the tier 5 conference league in with main aggressors Maxwell and Doncaster and another puppet, 'Thomas Brown' who had been knobbled to make sure it happens, you can see there's ulterior motives that he is not really caring about the Lowland League and clubs views and these are the clubs he is supposed to represent but really he's only thinking of his own self interests.. How Lowland league clubs still have him at the helm I'll never know Edited August 21 by Bestsinceslicebread 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FairWeatherFan Posted August 21 Author Share Posted August 21 Gretna 6-1 Hearts B. Puts Gretna on 9ts when they had a total of 12 last season. Some teams might be getting a little worried about bottom spot. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inanimate Carbon Rod Posted August 21 Share Posted August 21 Be hysterical if Gala go down, scenes. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
An Absolute Imposter Posted August 21 Share Posted August 21 58 minutes ago, Inanimate Carbon Rod said: Be hysterical if Gala go down, scenes. Do you know what would be even better. Broomhill go down with them. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grinderbrokeyourhearts Posted August 21 Share Posted August 21 1 hour ago, FairWeatherFan said: Gretna 6-1 Hearts B. Puts Gretna on 9ts when they had a total of 12 last season. Some teams might be getting a little worried about bottom spot. Unbelievable start to the season from them. Fair play! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FairWeatherFan Posted August 21 Author Share Posted August 21 East Stirlingshire getting that old familiar feeling. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Clayhole Blue Posted August 22 Share Posted August 22 9 hours ago, FairWeatherFan said: Gretna 6-1 Hearts B. Puts Gretna on 9ts when they had a total of 12 last season. Some teams might be getting a little worried about bottom spot. Are Gretna genuinely looking better this season? Was Hearts B side notably different from previous games this season? Or just neither of the above? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marooneye Posted August 22 Share Posted August 22 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Clayhole Blue said: Are Gretna genuinely looking better this season? Was Hearts B side notably different from previous games this season? Or just neither of the above? Gretna considerably stronger this season however that Hearts team was a lot weaker than have played other teams this season. Another example of how their selection can cause a big influence on league positions. Quite simply B teams have no place in the league. Edited August 22 by Marooneye 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dicko23 Posted August 22 Share Posted August 22 14 minutes ago, Marooneye said: Gretna considerably stronger this season however that Hearts team was a lot weaker than have played other teams this season. Another example of how their selection can cause a big influence on league positions. Quite simply B teams have no place in the league. So the difference between Friday and Last night was 2 players. (Tait and Pollok) not exactly wholesale changes. Yes they are 2 of the better players but this can happen at any. team. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bestsinceslicebread Posted August 22 Share Posted August 22 (edited) 1 hour ago, Marooneye said: Gretna considerably stronger this season however that Hearts team was a lot weaker than have played other teams this season. Another example of how their selection can cause a big influence on league positions. Quite simply B teams have no place in the league. Unfortunately regarding the comments about Hearts from Marooneye, I have to agree also during the game one of Hearts top players had to go off with a metatarsal injury, Callum Sandielands, (hope the lad will recover quickly, such a top player) It's still early but Broomhill know they are in a fight, letting the bulk of their first team players go pre -season and its a new manager and new squad who are finding it tough. Gala who finished third bottom last season without doubt will find it tough again and probably the favorites to go down with Gretna doing so well, (yip I'm totally shocked, so I take it they recruited well?) Look at Cumbernauld Colts, trying to emulate University Stirling the 22/23 season, by finishing 4 and now having a bad start in the relegation zone, personally this is recurring as some teams we are shocked doing well one year, Cumbenrauld Colts, Stirling Uni seasons before, the following year they are not doing well. I think they will survive, prob finish mid table but just cause they know there's weaker side than them like, Gala, Broomhill, East Stirlignshire who have a greeter chance of going down etc.. Also so far, I'm surprised at Tranent and Linlithgow, thought they would both be doing well but they seem now to be settled in at Lowland league level, could the lowland league be their level? Again this league is strong, very strong and couple of the weaker teams look really bad. The league has changed since it first started and in another 5 years I expect it to be very different again, especially when the WOSFL start to progress, so all in all another intriguing year both at the top and a few who could go down. Edited August 22 by Bestsinceslicebread 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gretnascotty Posted August 22 Share Posted August 22 1 hour ago, Marooneye said: Gretna considerably stronger this season however that Hearts team was a lot weaker than have played other teams this season. Another example of how their selection can cause a big influence on league positions. Quite simply B teams have no place in the league. We are stronger this season but if we’re going off injuries & players missing, one of our key players Robbie Ivison was out last night & Sam Atkinson started on the bench after a knock on Saturday. Also going forward our main goal threat Iain Anderson (he scored 2 last nighy and was motm) came off injured with 10 mins to go and by all accounts he could be out for weeks. So we have/had players missing also. Whatever Hearts team was put in front of Gretna last season we’d have still been pumped, we’re a different team this season! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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