WILLIEA Posted December 29, 2011 Share Posted December 29, 2011 Re the JRs Left Peg/ Flash tiff. I think we are all hurting this season. I've been to a few away games this season but only one at Palmerston. If I still lived in Dumfries it would be more but I can totally see where Flash is coming from regarding 3 hour round trips to see turgid dross , to be left feeling empty at the end and then be faced with the drive home. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dickie Davies Posted December 29, 2011 Share Posted December 29, 2011 Whilst we are witnessing the decline of QOS, there is and will be a fast paced decline across all of Scottish football. FT football in the 1st Division is not financially feasible unless clubs have significant money floating in their coffers. I believe the 1st Division will be mostly part-time within 2 years as all clubs have to balance their books (like ourselves) because banks will simply not be able to lend/grant overdrafts to the levels that are even being offered today. Let's face it...QOS has gone to the casino in the last 4 years, gambled, won a big windfall (2008 cup final), but largely lost a lot of money. Moving forward, I'd like to see the BOD put togther a plan which presents realistic goals for QOS within the cost constraints that we face and ultimately which ensures the club a sustainable business. A fan base of between 1,200-2,000 is realistically what the club can play with......not 3,000+ (and possibly never will be) - we need to work with the income that such a fan base offers and there is still potential with this. However, for me the biggest driver of such a financial model is the sale of Palmerston a la St Mirren style.....without this I fear we will decline a la Harkness era! On the Manager front....I was astounded when I heard that Gus signed the boy SImmonds in the summer! Subsequent signings have certainly not delivered. I really sense that the QOS challenge is not the right one for Gus and I have always advocated that we need a manager who is familiar with running both FT and PT set ups (a Danny Lennon type is what the club needs). But hey, what do I know about football? In the meantime, let's get behind Gus! Mr Monkey Tennis...a pleasure to actively be contributing on this board (I've followed it for years!). Will the footballers who play in the school team please stand up! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hawk Posted December 29, 2011 Share Posted December 29, 2011 Whilst we are witnessing the decline of QOS, there is and will be a fast paced decline across all of Scottish football. FT football in the 1st Division is not financially feasible unless clubs have significant money floating in their coffers. I believe the 1st Division will be mostly part-time within 2 years as all clubs have to balance their books (like ourselves) because banks will simply not be able to lend/grant overdrafts to the levels that are even being offered today. Let's face it...QOS has gone to the casino in the last 4 years, gambled, won a big windfall (2008 cup final), but largely lost a lot of money. Moving forward, I'd like to see the BOD put togther a plan which presents realistic goals for QOS within the cost constraints that we face and ultimately which ensures the club a sustainable business. A fan base of between 1,200-2,000 is realistically what the club can play with......not 3,000+ (and possibly never will be) - we need to work with the income that such a fan base offers and there is still potential with this. However, for me the biggest driver of such a financial model is the sale of Palmerston a la St Mirren style.....without this I fear we will decline a la Harkness era! On the Manager front....I was astounded when I heard that Gus signed the boy SImmonds in the summer! Subsequent signings have certainly not delivered. I really sense that the QOS challenge is not the right one for Gus and I have always advocated that we need a manager who is familiar with running both FT and PT set ups (a Danny Lennon type is what the club needs). But hey, what do I know about football? In the meantime, let's get behind Gus! Mr Monkey Tennis...a pleasure to actively be contributing on this board (I've followed it for years!). Will the footballers who play in the school team please stand up! Hi Dickie, are you Skyline in disguise? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dickie Davies Posted December 29, 2011 Share Posted December 29, 2011 I'm not Skyline. Completely new to this board........regular contributor as Dickie Davis on the QOSMAD board. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hawk Posted December 29, 2011 Share Posted December 29, 2011 I'm not Skyline. Completely new to this board........regular contributor as Dickie Davis on the QOSMAD board. Welcome on board. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkey Tennis Posted December 29, 2011 Share Posted December 29, 2011 Hi Dickie, are you Skyline in disguise? He certainly isn't Skyline, but he is another of 1970's finest products. There are quite a few of us among the Queens fans on P&B. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magnethead Posted December 30, 2011 Share Posted December 30, 2011 Where are Stranraer when you need them? Hopefully Ayr, Raith or Hamilton will step in to fulfill that particular role this time around. My money would be on Ayr unless we get a few players in. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Truthhurts Posted December 30, 2011 Share Posted December 30, 2011 Hi Dickie, are you Skyline in disguise? You have to watch what moniker synonymous you use on here, I almost got caught oot on the "Skyline Drifter" is a boring know-all thread. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkey Tennis Posted December 30, 2011 Share Posted December 30, 2011 (edited) One of them might do, but we don't have a Brechin this time, so the best we'd be looking at is a play-off, which is the position we were in when Scott was sacked - not bottom as we are now. Finishing second bottom may be regarded as being more acceptable this time because there are not two smaller part-time teams to compare us to. However, it would be no guarantee of staying up - I certainly wouldn't fancy this lot's chances against an up and coming second division side, particularly as we lost at home to Brechin last season when we had a better side and Brechin weren't even promoted. Of course, finishing last would be a complete disaster, so we'd probably all take a play-off spot and be grateful. A measure of how bad things have become. To be honest, I think we need to get to eighth in order to have much chance at all of staying up. The odds are against any given side in the play-offs in that only one wins out of four possibles. Things can obviously change but the prospect of this team beating anyone, let alone two different sides, each over two legs, looks unlikely. I suppose ninth would represent progress from where we currently are, but I doubt if it would do more than delay relegation by an additional week. Edited December 30, 2011 by Monkey Tennis -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JRS LEFT PEG Posted December 30, 2011 Share Posted December 30, 2011 I was thinking along these lines as well. I would fancy the chances more of a confident , winning team - albeit from a lower division - to prevail against a bruised , battered ninth place team. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JRS LEFT PEG Posted December 30, 2011 Share Posted December 30, 2011 Since the inception of the play offs , can anyone reveal what the success rate of the ninth place First Division side is against the First Division wanabees ? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkey Tennis Posted December 30, 2011 Share Posted December 30, 2011 I would fancy the chances more of a confident , winning team - albeit from a lower division - to prevail against a bruised , battered ninth place team. Me too, by instinct. I wonder what the evidence suggests, since they introduced play-offs to seal movement between the bottom three divisions. How often does the side from the higher division tend to survive? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JRS LEFT PEG Posted December 30, 2011 Share Posted December 30, 2011 Great minds must think alike . Seriously though , crucially , a winning team has momentum 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkey Tennis Posted December 30, 2011 Share Posted December 30, 2011 Since 2000, 8 out of 11 teams that finished 9th have went down. Christ, have they been around that long? I take it that's just from the 1st division? I suppose it suggests the 1st division side has around a 1 in 4 chance. The momentum thing is maybe countered by the fact that the team that's struggled has done so at a higher level. The overall result is that no side can approach the play-offs with great confidence. They really are best avoided if at all possible. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JRS LEFT PEG Posted December 30, 2011 Share Posted December 30, 2011 There you go then . If that is so and we finish ninth , then we have around a 25% chance of staying up 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JRS LEFT PEG Posted December 30, 2011 Share Posted December 30, 2011 There you go then . If that is so and we finish ninth , then we have around a 25% chance of staying up 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ryanqos Posted December 30, 2011 Share Posted December 30, 2011 whoops, messed that up 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkey Tennis Posted December 30, 2011 Share Posted December 30, 2011 The play off's only started in 2005/2006 Yeah, it felt more recent than that, but this happens a lot these days. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magnethead Posted December 31, 2011 Share Posted December 31, 2011 Since the inception of the play offs , can anyone reveal what the success rate of the ninth place First Division side is against the First Division wanabees ? In the last 3 seasons the 9th placed team has been relegated. 3 years ago we won the play-offs and relegated Airdrie, last season Brechin beat Cowdenbeath and then lost to us in the final and in the season between Cowdenbeath beat Brechin in the final after they had relegated Airdrie. I wouldn't fancy the 9th placed team from the 1st avoiding the drop. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JRS LEFT PEG Posted December 31, 2011 Share Posted December 31, 2011 Don't know why I never clicked on to the fact that the play-offs have not been going on since 2000. I blame all this bloody alcohol. So , we are now saying that never mind your one in four chance , if you finish ninth your f ucked 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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