DukDukGoose Posted January 7, 2023 Share Posted January 7, 2023 2 minutes ago, parsforlife said: Irrelevant to the offside rule. Liverpool's 2nd is an awful rule correctly applied. The goal shouldn't stand if the laws were sorted but the ref must award it. The 'winner' clearly the angle provided is poor but it does look correct decision from that, the liverpool players clear the line quickly and corner takers very rarely match that, sticking with the assistant seems fair. I'm talking about the 'winner'! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Master Posted January 7, 2023 Share Posted January 7, 2023 3 minutes ago, Raven said: Yeah, itv said, but they also have a presenter bragging about not knowing the offside rule. I can't see how Var can be expected to operate without a camera covering that, tbh. While it shouldn't happen, it's understandable why they don't. All the relevant cameras are on the near side (relative to the corner being taken), which means their vertical field of view takes in more of the far side. The opposite happened in Italy earlier this season where a goal was incorrectly chalked-off for offside because none of the camera angles used by VAR showed the last defender who was playing the attacker onside: They either need another goal-line camera on the far side, or more "tactical" cameras that take in the full width of the pitch. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Master Posted January 7, 2023 Share Posted January 7, 2023 3 minutes ago, Merkland Red said: I'm talking about the 'winner'! It doesn't matter - direction of the ball is irrelevant to the offside rule. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vikingTON Posted January 7, 2023 Share Posted January 7, 2023 They should punish incompetent officials for getting it wrong instead of waiting for some gubbins VAR system to bail them out. Punt it in the bin where it belongs. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raven Posted January 7, 2023 Share Posted January 7, 2023 4 minutes ago, Merkland Red said: I'm talking about the 'winner'! Par's answer still addresses this. Direction of the header isn't relevant. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DukDukGoose Posted January 7, 2023 Share Posted January 7, 2023 1 minute ago, The Master said: It doesn't matter - direction of the ball is irrelevant to the offside rule. Just read that. Seems pretty nonsensical. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vikingTON Posted January 7, 2023 Share Posted January 7, 2023 9 minutes ago, parsforlife said: the liverpool players clear the line quickly and corner takers very rarely match that Faultless logic for disallowing a goal there! You are Crawford Allan, Head of SFA Refereeing Operations, and I claim my £50 reward. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raven Posted January 7, 2023 Share Posted January 7, 2023 5 minutes ago, The Master said: While it shouldn't happen, it's understandable why they don't. All the relevant cameras are on the near side (relative to the corner being taken), which means their vertical field of view takes in more of the far side. The opposite happened in Italy earlier this season where a goal was incorrectly chalked-off for offside because none of the camera angles used by VAR showed the last defender who was playing the attacker onside: They either need another goal-line camera on the far side, or more "tactical" cameras that take in the full width of the pitch. That example is amazing,... we're going to try to judge offside without knowing where the players are! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Naitch Posted January 7, 2023 Share Posted January 7, 2023 Just watched the Wrexham highlights. Utterly bonkers match. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
parsforlife Posted January 7, 2023 Share Posted January 7, 2023 22 minutes ago, virginton said: Faultless logic for disallowing a goal there! You are Crawford Allan, Head of SFA Refereeing Operations, and I claim my £50 reward. The goal was disallowed because the assistant believed the corner taker was in an offside position when the ball was headed that he went on to receive with no other play happening in between. VAR then checked the footage they had and couldn't disagree. The decision would have been the same with no VAR. I've made a couple of assumptions based on the footage, giving my opinion as a fan, that's all, its not what happened with VAR. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theroadlesstravelled Posted January 7, 2023 Share Posted January 7, 2023 Burnley looked superb. It’s good to see them ditch the Brexit ball and play football properly. Any fan wanting Dyche appointed should watch it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vikingTON Posted January 7, 2023 Share Posted January 7, 2023 2 minutes ago, parsforlife said: The goal was disallowed because the assistant believed the corner taker was in an offside position when the ball was headed that he went on to receive with no other play happening in between. VAR then checked the footage they had and couldn't disagree. The decision would have been the same with no VAR. I've made a couple of assumptions based on the footage, giving my opinion as a fan, that's all, its not what happened with VAR. A decision to disallow a goal can never be justified by such ridiculous assumptions though. You'd be as well saying 'well that team is known for being shite defensively, so they probably had a tit playing everyone onside' instead. Teams at the bottom of the league would be on the receiving of this pre-conceived bias on a weekly basis. VAR failing to have credible footage simply confirms that it is just as useless as the clownshoe officials that it is de facto covering for within the current setup. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
parsforlife Posted January 7, 2023 Share Posted January 7, 2023 11 minutes ago, virginton said: A decision to disallow a goal can never be justified by such ridiculous assumptions though. You'd be as well saying 'well that team is known for being shite defensively, so they probably had a tit playing everyone onside' instead. Teams at the bottom of the league would be on the receiving of this pre-conceived bias on a weekly basis. VAR failing to have credible footage simply confirms that it is just as useless as the clownshoe officials that it is de facto covering for within the current setup. The goal being disallowed had nothing to do with my assumption. VAR can rightly be criticised alot, but it not doing anything and the on field decision standing seems a weird thing to blame. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vikingTON Posted January 8, 2023 Share Posted January 8, 2023 (edited) 22 minutes ago, parsforlife said: The goal being disallowed had nothing to do with my assumption. You were justifying the decision to disallow the goal, based on a nonsense assumption. Quote VAR can rightly be criticised alot, but it not doing anything and the on field decision standing seems a weird thing to blame. The entire fucking point of VAR is to act as a corrective for decisions where an official could be expected to have made a reasonable error. In just such a situation this evening, VAR and all the gubbins officials responsible for it were posted missing because of, err, lack of a good camera angle to overturn a crap decision. This further confirms that VAR is not a system worth implementing. It neither improves the experience of watching football, nor does it actually prevent errors by casting an objective overview of events. It's just an extra layer of gubbins, arbitrary decision-making on top of the existing layer that nobody liked in the first place. If offside can in the near future be determined with a high degree of accuracy by technology alone - like goal line technology - then that should be welcomed. This nick of an effort should be reversed and binned at every level of the game. Edited January 8, 2023 by vikingTON 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miguel Sanchez Posted January 8, 2023 Share Posted January 8, 2023 Why is there outrage at Liverpool's second goal? The Wolves player goes to head it, makes an arse of it, and the ball ends up with Salah. It's not offside because someone touched it in between the pass happening/offside player touching it. Am I missing something? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vikingTON Posted January 8, 2023 Share Posted January 8, 2023 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Miguel Sanchez said: Why is there outrage at Liverpool's second goal? The Wolves player goes to head it, makes an arse of it, and the ball ends up with Salah. It's not offside because someone touched it in between the pass happening/offside player touching it. Am I missing something? The only reason why the Wolves defender played the ball was because an offside Salah was sprinting behind him to score if he didn't intercept it. The idea that Salah was not active and therefore not offside in that first 'phase of play' is therefore complete and utter bollocks. That is more of a rules-based nonsense than an officiating error, but that goal still gets disallowed on a regular basis right now. Edited January 8, 2023 by vikingTON 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Salvo Montalbano Posted January 8, 2023 Share Posted January 8, 2023 I thought they ditched replays in the FA Cup or was that just a Covid thing? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scotty Tunbridge Posted January 8, 2023 Share Posted January 8, 2023 47 minutes ago, Salvo Montalbano said: I thought they ditched replays in the FA Cup or was that just a Covid thing? That was just a one/two season thing due to covid scheduling I believe. Commentators were saying there is going to be a vote regarding scrapping them completely. I’m for getting rid replays are shite. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergeant Wilson Posted January 8, 2023 Share Posted January 8, 2023 31 minutes ago, Scotty Tunbridge said: That was just a one/two season thing due to covid scheduling I believe. Commentators were saying there is going to be a vote regarding scrapping them completely. I’m for getting rid replays are shite. Get away, midweek replays are brilliant...some of the time. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bully Wee Villa Posted January 8, 2023 Share Posted January 8, 2023 Hate replays. Get rid. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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