strichener Posted April 7, 2023 Share Posted April 7, 2023 1 hour ago, DeeTillEhDeh said: I did wonder- I asked if anyone could clarify what the donor form was like but nothing so far. The website was ref.scot https://web.archive.org/web/20170402130511/https://www.ref.scot/ 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim McLean's Ghost Posted April 7, 2023 Share Posted April 7, 2023 1 minute ago, strichener said: Wtf are you on about? Auditors don't typically refer themselves to the police or the FRC. In the most part auditors will stand by their previous work on the basis that the audit on information received from the party being audited. That is has been 3 years of accounts they have signed off on since the money was allegedly misappropriated. And if the auditors aren't there to catch things like that what is the point of having an auditor? And if they didn't have the information to conduct a proper audit in those years why did they continue working for the SNP? Murrell is gone now and there are calls for transparency so I don't know why they would choose this time to voluntarily walk away from money, unless they knew they were going to get the boot and were getting out in front of it. Auditor firm ditches corrupt SNP is a better headline than Post-Murrell SNP sack auditors to increase transparency 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strichener Posted April 7, 2023 Share Posted April 7, 2023 Just now, DeeTillEhDeh said: The prevailing view among accountants is that they have a right to report fraud where the public interest outweighs confidentiality to clients but not necessarily a duty to detect or warn about it. And? How many audit partners have referred themselves to the FRC in the last year? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeeTillEhDeh Posted April 7, 2023 Share Posted April 7, 2023 1 minute ago, strichener said: The website was ref.scot https://web.archive.org/web/20170402130511/https://www.ref.scot/ That's a pledge form not a donor form - I take it that may have been removed? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeeTillEhDeh Posted April 7, 2023 Share Posted April 7, 2023 1 minute ago, strichener said: And? How many audit partners have referred themselves to the FRC in the last year? More the point that there isn't any obligation to go to the police. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strichener Posted April 7, 2023 Share Posted April 7, 2023 Just now, Jim McLean's Ghost said: That is has been 3 years of accounts they have signed off on since the money was allegedly misappropriated. And if the auditors aren't there to catch things like that what is the point of having an auditor? And if they didn't have the information to conduct a proper audit in those years why did they continue working for the SNP? Murrell is gone now and there are calls for transparency so I don't know why they would choose this time to voluntarily walk away from money, unless they knew they were going to get the boot and were getting out in front of it. Auditor firm ditches corrupt SNP is a better headline than Post-Murrell SNP sack auditors to increase transparency Wow. Misappropriated? That is a serious allegation. Not one that I have voiced. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strichener Posted April 7, 2023 Share Posted April 7, 2023 1 minute ago, DeeTillEhDeh said: That's a pledge form not a donor form - I take it that may have been removed? Scroll down. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim McLean's Ghost Posted April 7, 2023 Share Posted April 7, 2023 Just now, strichener said: Wow. Misappropriated? That is a serious allegation. Not one that I have voiced. Why else would Murrell be arrested? Unless there are actually bodies in the garden. He does look like the secret serial killer type... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strichener Posted April 7, 2023 Share Posted April 7, 2023 (edited) 1 minute ago, Jim McLean's Ghost said: Why else would Murrell be arrested? Unless there are actually bodies in the garden. He does look like the secret serial killer type... There are other unlawful activities around finance than just embezzlement. Edited April 7, 2023 by strichener 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim McLean's Ghost Posted April 7, 2023 Share Posted April 7, 2023 1 minute ago, strichener said: There are other unlawful activities around finance than just embezzlement. No one said embezzlement champ. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted April 7, 2023 Share Posted April 7, 2023 3 minutes ago, strichener said: Scroll down. Can't find any commitment to ring fencing the donations to a referendum rather than general campaigning for a party with a referendum as its main objective. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeeTillEhDeh Posted April 7, 2023 Share Posted April 7, 2023 3 minutes ago, strichener said: Scroll down. Don't know if it's my mobile but I'm not getting anything when I click the donate link - just a picture of Nicola Sturgeon- no form. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strichener Posted April 7, 2023 Share Posted April 7, 2023 2 minutes ago, Jim McLean's Ghost said: No one said embezzlement champ. "Champ" - The two words are synonymous. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted April 7, 2023 Share Posted April 7, 2023 2 minutes ago, DeeTillEhDeh said: Don't know if it's my mobile but I'm not getting anything when I click the donate link - just a picture of Nicola Sturgeon- no form. The transcript of Sturgeon's Bute House speech works, but nothing about ring fencing. https://web.archive.org/web/20170613152512/https://d3n8a8pro7vhmx.cloudfront.net/thesnp/pages/8202/attachments/original/1489573298/ButeHouseSpeech.pdf?1489573298 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strichener Posted April 7, 2023 Share Posted April 7, 2023 1 minute ago, DeeTillEhDeh said: Don't know if it's my mobile but I'm not getting anything when I click the donate link - just a picture of Nicola Sturgeon- no form. The donate link doesn't work. However you would have to be extremely generous in your interpretation of the site to think that it 2as for general SNP campaigning. how many mentions of the SNP can you see. How many mentions are there of raising money for general campaigning? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strichener Posted April 7, 2023 Share Posted April 7, 2023 (edited) 6 minutes ago, welshbairn said: The transcript of Sturgeon's Bute House speech works, but nothing about ring fencing. https://web.archive.org/web/20170613152512/https://d3n8a8pro7vhmx.cloudfront.net/thesnp/pages/8202/attachments/original/1489573298/ButeHouseSpeech.pdf?1489573298 The SNP themselves stated that the funds were ringfenced. That part isn't disputed. Remember Nicola's "we work on a cashflow basis" answers? Contradicted by Ian McCann who stated that someone couldn't have a refund as the funds were ringfenced and couldn't be spent until Westminster issues a Section 30 order Quote Donations are in a ring-fenced fund to fight the next referendum whenever we are in a position to call that. As you are aware, the Scottish Parliament has passed enacting legislation to allow that to go ahead as soon as Westminster passes the Section 30 Order. We are not in a position to refund those monies Edited April 7, 2023 by strichener 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeeTillEhDeh Posted April 7, 2023 Share Posted April 7, 2023 4 minutes ago, strichener said: The donate link doesn't work. However you would have to be extremely generous in your interpretation of the site to think that it 2as for general SNP campaigning. how many mentions of the SNP can you see. How many mentions are there of raising money for general campaigning? But no actual donor form. That is the key thing because that’s the only way to legally tie in an individual's donation to ringfencing. Ethically wrong but not necessarily a criminal act. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim McLean's Ghost Posted April 7, 2023 Share Posted April 7, 2023 8 minutes ago, welshbairn said: The transcript of Sturgeon's Bute House speech works, but nothing about ring fencing. https://web.archive.org/web/20170613152512/https://d3n8a8pro7vhmx.cloudfront.net/thesnp/pages/8202/attachments/original/1489573298/ButeHouseSpeech.pdf?1489573298 You can see here the SNP say the money is not for General Election spending https://www.thenational.scot/news/15344728.snp-all-the-money-raised-on-scotref-website-is-ringfenced-to-fight-a-future-independence-referendum/ From the date here it looks like the SNP spunked all that money on The Growth Commission. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strichener Posted April 7, 2023 Share Posted April 7, 2023 1 minute ago, DeeTillEhDeh said: But no actual donor form. That is the key thing because that’s the only way to legally tie in an individual's donation to ringfencing. Ethically wrong but not necessarily a criminal act. Of course there was a donor form. It also didn't mention the SNP. See the previous post for how the party themselves looked on these donations. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeeTillEhDeh Posted April 7, 2023 Share Posted April 7, 2023 Just now, strichener said: Of course there was a donor form. It also didn't mention the SNP. See the previous post for how the party themselves looked on these donations. Someone must surely have copy of the donor form - it's the first thing I'd be looking for. Bound to be in some archive or drive somewhere. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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