O'Kelly Isley III Posted November 8, 2023 Share Posted November 8, 2023 3 hours ago, TxRover said: This is the headline win for most viewers from yesterday. Yet another you can’t win the primary without Trump…and can’t win the general with him. However, stats like these are more for headlines…every time they get disproven they find another “trend”. The win in Virginia can be seen as the opposite result, as Virginia’s results tend to have been counterpredictive the last few cycles. The Ohio result is a thumping win for what people want over what the far right want. A second bite of the cherry, with a carefully picked wording that was designed to confuse people, and they STILL got their asses handed to them. If the Republican Party is smart, they will work to keep abortion off the 2024 ballots, and the hilarious bit is Donald predicted this. With 50 states and innumerable political subdivisions, we almost all have at least two elections per year…and each usually has a Primary and a General. The most widespread format is a May and November election, with “local” ( theoretically, non-partisan) races being featured in the May election, on the theory that it insulated the School Board, Water Board, etc elections from politics. The actual result now is that the May elections tend to result in more extreme candidates winning due to turnout often being in the 5-10% range…until someone finally does something sooooooo stupid that everyone turns out to vote them out. Just to give you an example…in my precinct, the following have been on the ballot in the last six years: National: U.S. President, U.S. Senate and U.S House (would also potentially have any U.S. Constitutional Amendment). State: Governor, Lieutenant Governor, Attorney General, Comptroller of Public Accounts, Commissioners of the General Land Office, Agriculture, the Railroad Commission, the Judges of the State Supreme Court plus State Appeals Court, and any and all Amendments to the Texas Constitution. Local: County Commissioners, County Judges, County Justices of the Peace, County Boards, County Propositions, City Offices, City Proposals, School Board Trustees, School District Propositions and Precinct Chairpersons for either Republican or Democrat parties. You seem very au fait with many aspects of US public life. For my benefit, can you explain why almost every live media event in the States requires the presence of around a dozen blazers, badges, helmets and hard hats encircling the speaker and looking sternly on as he/she does their stuff ? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TxRover Posted November 8, 2023 Share Posted November 8, 2023 32 minutes ago, O'Kelly Isley III said: You seem very au fait with many aspects of US public life. For my benefit, can you explain why almost every live media event in the States requires the presence of around a dozen blazers, badges, helmets and hard hats encircling the speaker and looking sternly on as he/she does their stuff ? Because the loonies are out there? The societal problems in the U.S. are getting worse as now Republicans (and, on some occasions, Democrats) consistently respond to polls that they don’t believe the election was fair if their side didn’t win. There is a strong element that responds that violence is now necessary to protect “American Freedom”. Combine these factors with more guns than people and a mental health system in tatters, and there are more than a few nut jobs around that are willing to attack nearly anyone. With National level speakers, you generally cannot see the often present armoured glass screens erected around the individuals…at the State level, the increasingly militarized State Police departments have taken to trying to create their own little Secret Service with militarized equipment and tactics. Local politicians have to make do with gangs of “supporters” and Local cops. Compare “The Beast” to JFK’s limo in Dallas…the limo had no armour, and the one concession was running boards added for Secret Service agents to mount…The Beast is armoured as heavily as an IFV. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
O'Kelly Isley III Posted November 8, 2023 Share Posted November 8, 2023 1 hour ago, TxRover said: Because the loonies are out there? The societal problems in the U.S. are getting worse as now Republicans (and, on some occasions, Democrats) consistently respond to polls that they don’t believe the election was fair if their side didn’t win. There is a strong element that responds that violence is now necessary to protect “American Freedom”. Combine these factors with more guns than people and a mental health system in tatters, and there are more than a few nut jobs around that are willing to attack nearly anyone. With National level speakers, you generally cannot see the often present armoured glass screens erected around the individuals…at the State level, the increasingly militarized State Police departments have taken to trying to create their own little Secret Service with militarized equipment and tactics. Local politicians have to make do with gangs of “supporters” and Local cops. Compare “The Beast” to JFK’s limo in Dallas…the limo had no armour, and the one concession was running boards added for Secret Service agents to mount…The Beast is armoured as heavily as an IFV. That's a very interesting if quite chilling explanation, and I thank you for it. In my naivety I had assumed that the 'helper horseshoe' was a typically theatrical American exercise to confer gravitas on the occasion, but it's obviously a lot more real world than that. The worry for people over here is that history tells us that most cultural trends on the US invariably travel across the Atlantic, and there's no shortage of nutjobs walking the streets in Britain. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigmarv Posted November 9, 2023 Share Posted November 9, 2023 3 hours ago, O'Kelly Isley III said: That's a very interesting if quite chilling explanation, and I thank you for it. In my naivety I had assumed that the 'helper horseshoe' was a typically theatrical American exercise to confer gravitas on the occasion, but it's obviously a lot more real world than that. The worry for people over here is that history tells us that most cultural trends on the US invariably travel across the Atlantic, and there's no shortage of nutjobs walking the streets in Britain. Recent tory party conference over in the UK tells us plenty about where that party is going and its down the same “alternative reality” route as the Republicans are here in the USA. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granny Danger Posted November 9, 2023 Share Posted November 9, 2023 11 hours ago, bigmarv said: Recent tory party conference over in the UK tells us plenty about where that party is going and its down the same “alternative reality” route as the Republicans are here in the USA. The religious right fuckwits from the USA are funding the ‘pro-life’ fuckwits in the U.K. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TxRover Posted November 9, 2023 Share Posted November 9, 2023 54 minutes ago, Granny Danger said: The religious right fuckwits from the USA are funding the ‘pro-life’ fuckwits in the U.K. worldwide. https://www.reuters.com/article/us-europe-lgbt-rights-trfn/u-s-christian-groups-spent-280m-fighting-lgbt-rights-abortion-overseas-idUSKBN27C2MA 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigmarv Posted November 10, 2023 Share Posted November 10, 2023 14 hours ago, Granny Danger said: The religious right fuckwits from the USA are funding the ‘pro-life’ fuckwits in the U.K. fuckwits inc. The charming Steve Bannon has also done a few European tours preaching the ills of immigration to the desperate masses Remember the good old days when the UK political right told Obama to stfu and focus on America when he commented the potential ramifications of Brexit? they don’t seem to mind American influence when it benefits them. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TxRover Posted November 13, 2023 Share Posted November 13, 2023 Tim Scott drops out of the Republican race… Donald Trump releases his second term agenda, including mass incarceration and deportation of illegals/undesirables, tariffs, an end to birthright citizenship, mass firings of Federal employees, Federal designation of two genders only, round up the homeless and place them in treatment camps, and much, much more… 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Salt n Vinegar Posted November 13, 2023 Share Posted November 13, 2023 5 hours ago, TxRover said: Tim Scott drops out of the Republican race… Donald Trump releases his second term agenda, including mass incarceration and deportation of illegals/undesirables, tariffs, an end to birthright citizenship, mass firings of Federal employees, Federal designation of two genders only, round up the homeless and place them in treatment camps, and much, much more… No. No. Trump's deep, sincere Christian faith wouldn't let him treat his fellow humans in such a cruel manner. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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bigmarv Posted November 13, 2023 Share Posted November 13, 2023 Complacency within the Democratic vote was the reason we got Trump 1.0. These poll numbers should rule that out this time around. That and the convicted criminal thing 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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bigmarv Posted November 14, 2023 Share Posted November 14, 2023 20 hours ago, muirkirk nil said: Seems we’re not quite done with the qanon crap then? The “I don’t like this man’s political views, lets brand him a pedophile” stuff. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongTimeLurker Posted November 16, 2023 Share Posted November 16, 2023 On 13/11/2023 at 20:45, bigmarv said: Complacency within the Democratic vote was the reason we got Trump 1.0. These poll numbers should rule that out this time around... Abortion rights is the issue that is boosting turnout among younger especially female voters in a way that's not good for Donald J. Having a few of his lawyers accepting plea deals in Georgia means his various court cases are unlikely to go well for him. At some point the penny might start to drop that he's running mainly to keep himself out of jail rather than to do anything positive for the average American voter. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TxRover Posted November 17, 2023 Share Posted November 17, 2023 19 hours ago, LongTimeLurker said: Abortion rights is the issue that is boosting turnout among younger especially female voters in a way that's not good for Donald J. Having a few of his lawyers accepting plea deals in Georgia means his various court cases are unlikely to go well for him. At some point the penny might start to drop that he's running mainly to keep himself out of jail rather than to do anything positive for the average American voter. Judge Cannon has now refused to issue deadlines (in an unsigned, paperless order) for the Trump team to announce which documents they intend to use/rely up. This is required under the classified document rules, and by not issuing it was a signed, written order, it inhibits Jack Smith’s appeal options. This pretty much makes a May trial impossible, while keeping it on the calendar, and thus preventing any other case being scheduled for May. It’s expected Smith will appeal to the 11th District and, if he does, it’s possible Cannon gets either slapped around or removed from the case. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welshbairn Posted November 17, 2023 Share Posted November 17, 2023 (edited) 19 hours ago, LongTimeLurker said: Abortion rights is the issue that is boosting turnout among younger especially female voters in a way that's not good for Donald J. Having a few of his lawyers accepting plea deals in Georgia means his various court cases are unlikely to go well for him. At some point the penny might start to drop that he's running mainly to keep himself out of jail rather than to do anything positive for the average American voter. Abortion rights is also the reason he might lose votes from the evangelicals and hardcore social conservatives. He's rolled back on the 6 week/no exceptions lot like Desanctimonious and is suggesting 15 weeks as a compromise, being as it's hammering the GOP every time it's an issue. Donald might be thick and narcissistic but he's not dumb when it comes to playing the crowd. Edited November 17, 2023 by welshbairn 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigmarv Posted November 17, 2023 Share Posted November 17, 2023 On 16/11/2023 at 13:44, LongTimeLurker said: Abortion rights is the issue that is boosting turnout among younger especially female voters in a way that's not good for Donald J. Having a few of his lawyers accepting plea deals in Georgia means his various court cases are unlikely to go well for him. At some point the penny might start to drop that he's running mainly to keep himself out of jail rather than to do anything positive for the average American voter. There are far more Dem leaning Americans than Republican. There has been one Republican presidential candidate in the last 35 years to win the popular vote and that was incumbent Bush post 9/11 when “freedom was on the march, heh heh heh” to quote the clown. Suppressed Dem turnout in 2016 due to fake Clinton laptop scandal and a solid eight years of well engineered negative press caused many people to stay home vs go out and vote for Clinton. Even then she got 3m more votes than Crooked Donnie, 48% to 45.9% nationwide in a straight up leader of the country vote, yet she lost, mental in and of itself. Guns, abortion, book bans, LBGT etc. rights and now even disruption of the military due to one muppet’s personal views (tuberville). Its all unpopular policy that the Republicans are ramming through or causing. I’ll be astonished if they are elected into power at the federal level next Nov. if they do, it will be down to some shenanigans, well funded (by the Republicans) third party candidate etc. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigmarv Posted November 17, 2023 Share Posted November 17, 2023 7 hours ago, welshbairn said: Abortion rights is also the reason he might lose votes from the evangelicals and hardcore social conservatives. He's rolled back on the 6 week/no exceptions lot like Desanctimonious and is suggesting 15 weeks as a compromise, being as it's hammering the GOP every time it's an issue. Donald might be thick and narcissistic but he's not dumb when it comes to playing the crowd. Unfortunately for Donnie, there’s multiple recordings of him boasting about causing the overturning of Roe vs Wade, at rallies and during interviews. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vikingTON Posted November 17, 2023 Share Posted November 17, 2023 (edited) 8 hours ago, welshbairn said: Abortion rights is also the reason he might lose votes from the evangelicals and hardcore social conservatives. He's rolled back on the 6 week/no exceptions lot like Desanctimonious and is suggesting 15 weeks as a compromise, being as it's hammering the GOP every time it's an issue. Donald might be thick and narcissistic but he's not dumb when it comes to playing the crowd. Lose votes in what contest exactly? They're not going to flip to Sleepy Joe (or Kamala fucking Harris) in a general election. The Republican primary is already a dead rubber. You do not have to like Trump's politics to grasp these absolutely basic facts. Edited November 17, 2023 by vikingTON 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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