LongTimeLurker Posted July 17, 2023 Share Posted July 17, 2023 Will be interesting to see if the Lowland League now tightens up its ground requirements so there's no danger of a club with an entry level ground blocking progression. Think requiring cover for 500 within a reasonable timeframe would be sensible. It's only Caledonian Braves, Civil Service Strollers and Edinburgh Uni that would have major issues on that and it is understandable why the SPFL would not want grounds like those in their league. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skyline Drifter Posted July 17, 2023 Share Posted July 17, 2023 2 hours ago, LongTimeLurker said: Says unanimously above so looks like Bonnyrigg Rose voted for it. Cover for 500 will be an issue for some LL clubs as well and given the SFA are currently reviewing licensing criteria things may wind up being tougher than the current set of standards.. Edinburgh infamously only have 499 seats. Although they have plans to build a 2nd stand eventually. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craigkillie Posted July 17, 2023 Share Posted July 17, 2023 22 minutes ago, ExiledLichtie said: So if you mean from the start of the 2024/2025, does that then mean that a non-licensed team could be promoted this season, as the rules won't kick in till the start of next season? These are the SPFL's rules for being able to play in the league in 2024/25 - however likely a waiver would be granted as long as some effort was being made towards it. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
parsforlife Posted July 17, 2023 Share Posted July 17, 2023 4 minutes ago, craigkillie said: These are the SPFL's rules for being able to play in the league in 2024/25 - however likely a waiver would be granted as long as some effort was being made towards it. Aye waivers have been used semi-regularly and will continue to be so, there’s being used this season to allow airdrie to play championship for example. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ginaro Posted July 17, 2023 Share Posted July 17, 2023 (edited) 5 minutes ago, parsforlife said: Aye waivers have been used semi-regularly and will continue to be so, there’s being used this season to allow airdrie to play championship for example. The current rules require a Bronze ground and Silver floodlights for the Championship so this season Airdrie wouldn't need a waiver. Edited July 17, 2023 by Ginaro 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongTimeLurker Posted July 17, 2023 Share Posted July 17, 2023 Cove Rangers must have needed a waiver to play in the Chamionship last season though? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FuzzyBear Posted July 17, 2023 Share Posted July 17, 2023 2 hours ago, FuzzyBear said: Could be a problem for Linlithgow. Think pitch is 59 m wide. I am reliably informed that pitch meets the criteria. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UsedToGoToCentralPark Posted July 17, 2023 Share Posted July 17, 2023 According to this only Cowdenbeath and Cumbernauld Colts have Bronze level grounds in the LL or below. Cowdenbeath could get the bronze level overall with not much effort by my understanding but getting a ground up to the standard for some other teams could be almost impossible I expect as the cost or space availability might just not be there. How do UOS not have the same rating for Ground as Stirling Albion? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongTimeLurker Posted July 17, 2023 Share Posted July 17, 2023 9 minutes ago, UsedToGoToCentralPark said: ...How do UOS not have the same rating for Ground as Stirling Albion? Maybe don't have access to as much of Forthbank as Stirling Albion do? Likely easily remedied though by paying more in rent money to gain a greater level of access. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Auld Heid Posted July 17, 2023 Share Posted July 17, 2023 5 hours ago, FuzzyBear said: Could be a problem for Linlithgow. Think pitch is 59 m wide. It could be close, there may be some room on standside to extend - but not other side. -1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TxRover Posted July 17, 2023 Share Posted July 17, 2023 32 minutes ago, Auld Heid said: It could be close, there may be some room on standside to extend - but not other side. Most references say it’s 104 yards by 65 yards, which translates to 95.1m x 59.4m. Assuming that’s correct, you’re looking for 2 ft, which to be honest, I would expect the SPFL to probably waive if it’s League One or Two…and if you were going bigger than that, you’d need a new ground anyway. There also looks to be room to add a yard/metre on the roadway side. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dev Posted July 17, 2023 Share Posted July 17, 2023 5 hours ago, Dev said: When do the changes come into effect? Is it the start of 2024/25? Surely any changes have to be brought into effect with min. 12 months notice from the relevant AGM? All such AGMs have long gone. That would mean new rules in time for the start of the 2025/26 season wouldn't it? 4 hours ago, craigkillie said: This was voted on at the recent SPFL AGM and passed unanimously. Therefore it will be in place from the start of the 2024/25 season. I don't know why you think it would require any more notice than that? 7 hours ago, parsforlife said: It was voted through today along with the board appointments for this season Let's see? If it was voted upon today then presumably the relevant AGM was where the vote was held - so was that today? Just asking as I don't know the answer. Less than 12 months warning of significant changes to promotion/relegations etc etc would not be reasonable would it? Waivers are not the issue. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
parsforlife Posted July 18, 2023 Share Posted July 18, 2023 (edited) 6 hours ago, Dev said: Let's see? If it was voted upon today then presumably the relevant AGM was where the vote was held - so was that today? Just asking as I don't know the answer. Less than 12 months warning of significant changes to promotion/relegations etc etc would not be reasonable would it? Waivers are not the issue. CraigKillie is probably more correct than myself, I just assumed based on the press release and didn’t think you’d hang around long to make such an announcement. There’s a reaction by some that this is like the old SPL 10000 seats rule that’s going to prevent clubs going up or those that do having to spend large sums doing so. I’m almost certain that no club is going to be denied promotion into league 2 unless they make little effort to do so. The bronze requirements are not that erroneous and it’s being speculated for a while that they would come in for spfl, you would think clubs will have already been targeting the areas required. Edited July 18, 2023 by parsforlife 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brazilianlex Posted July 18, 2023 Share Posted July 18, 2023 12 hours ago, Skyline Drifter said: Edinburgh infamously only have 499 seats. Although they have plans to build a 2nd stand eventually. The bronze licence refers to cover for 500 people, no mention of seats in that. Plenty Clubs like Edin City ? don’t have 500 seats. I believe Cowden gave up their bronze because you need a Doctor at every game which is very expensive. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skyline Drifter Posted July 18, 2023 Share Posted July 18, 2023 37 minutes ago, Brazilianlex said: The bronze licence refers to cover for 500 people, no mention of seats in that. Plenty Clubs like Edin City ? don’t have 500 seats. I believe Cowden gave up their bronze because you need a Doctor at every game which is very expensive. Correct, Bronze licence refers to "500 covered places". However, that doesn't change the point. Edinburgh still only have 499. They have additional standing areas but none of them are covered. Take the point though that it would presumably be possible to erect a small shelter to cover at least one person relatively cheaply! You don't need a Doctor at every game, you need a Doctor at every HOME game. Very few lower division clubs carry one to away games. Doctor only needs to attend every game for a Gold licence. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skyline Drifter Posted July 18, 2023 Share Posted July 18, 2023 12 hours ago, UsedToGoToCentralPark said: According to this only Cowdenbeath and Cumbernauld Colts have Bronze level grounds in the LL or below. Cowdenbeath could get the bronze level overall with not much effort by my understanding but getting a ground up to the standard for some other teams could be almost impossible I expect as the cost or space availability might just not be there. How do UOS not have the same rating for Ground as Stirling Albion? Ground criteria includes admin things like having a suitable Disability Access Officer and appropriate disability policies. Perhaps UoS don't have one. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cowden Cowboy Posted July 18, 2023 Share Posted July 18, 2023 18 minutes ago, Skyline Drifter said: Correct, Bronze licence refers to "500 covered places". However, that doesn't change the point. Edinburgh still only have 499. They have additional standing areas but none of them are covered. Take the point though that it would presumably be possible to erect a small shelter to cover at least one person relatively cheaply! You don't need a Doctor at every game, you need a Doctor at every HOME game. Very few lower division clubs carry one to away games. Doctor only needs to attend every game for a Gold licence. You do need a doctor at every game. However, for away games you can use the home team’s doctor to fulfill that role. If a doctor is not available for a game a paramedic can occasionally be used as a substitute. Cowdenbeath were unable to maintain bronze in Lowland League as they would have had to arrange to get a doctor to attend virtually all away games as the home clubs with entry level licenses would not have one present 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skyline Drifter Posted July 18, 2023 Share Posted July 18, 2023 12 minutes ago, Cowden Cowboy said: You do need a doctor at every game. However, for away games you can use the home team’s doctor to fulfill that role. If a doctor is not available for a game a paramedic can occasionally be used as a substitute. Cowdenbeath were unable to maintain bronze in Lowland League as they would have had to arrange to get a doctor to attend virtually all away games as the home clubs with entry level licenses would not have one present Fair enough. Not used to having to deal with home clubs who don't have one as Standard. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burnsythebinman Posted July 18, 2023 Share Posted July 18, 2023 bronze is reasonable surely. if a flat pitch that is of a size deemed playable is an issue then those teams shouldnt be anywhere near the leagues 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shannon Posted July 18, 2023 Share Posted July 18, 2023 (edited) 18 hours ago, Pie Of The Month said: I do think more than a bit fishy that Stenny chairman has proposed this as they would rather stop any further more promotion to SPFL League Two and that wee extra hurdle for Lowland League / Highland League winners. Was he not the one that said shouldnt be any more relegation from SPFL for at least 2 seasons due to covid. I am surprised Bonnyrigg and a few others would be happy to accept this as you do know they will eventually make the criteria even tougher to try to stop Linlithgow, Tranent and others in West that could challenge them long term having to spend that bit more cash on facilities or stop promotion. Edited July 18, 2023 by Shannon 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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