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The recent embarrassment of Rangers, Hibs, Aberdeen and even Celtic. yes Celtic are in the Group stages but they end up being thrashed.  The Irish Republic realised  that they could not compete with the English Premier League in terms of TV. So they moved their league to summer not only for better pitches but many people watch. They also gained more sponsorships through the media

Scotland now needs to do the same. You are never going to compete with England.  The second reform Scotland has to do is move to a 16 or even 18 club league. An example  the top 8 play for Europe and champions while the bottom 8 play against each other for with four relegation spots. 

Relegation from the Championship exists but only if the winners of the Regional Leagues meet the requirements. 

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1 minute ago, Richey Edwards said:

Good luck cramming a full season of fixtures into two weeks.

Instead of the pre winter shutdown cram, cram them into summer.

Start the season earlier, more viewership (less competition), more funds and more competitive players come tournaments.

It's all pretty good on paper.

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Just now, Crawford said:

Instead of the pre winter shutdown cram, cram them into summer.

Start the season earlier, more viewership (less competition), more funds and more competitive players come tournaments.

It's all pretty good on paper.

Exactly finish the season in December but start in June with an August Break. 

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Scottish teams regularly compete in Europe after Christmas,  3 out of 5 teams are currently through to the group stages.

 

Hibs got one of the worst draws possible and Hearts never embarrassed themselves either. 

 

We fell to bits on Wednesday tbf but I'm hoping that we can get a decent run of games going.  Try talking our game up rather than being negative about it.

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8 minutes ago, Edward said:

Strange the Irish Republic does not have problems with playing in the summer

ROI league is alligned as it is because "soccer" is the 4th sport here, and they try not to clash with gaa.

Game night was moved to Friday night to avoid the clash with EPL.

Are you suggesting scottish football moves to a Friday? 

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19 minutes ago, Melanius Mullarkay said:

So what? Are there teams now suddenly gracing the group stages of European football?

Let me check...

If you take the "instant success" out of the equation, having a product for market at a time where there isn't as much competition makes Scottish football much more attractive for investors and the media money men.

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I'm.quite happy with the schedule as is (except the war crime of championship final day on a Friday night)

But if there was found to be general feeling there was a disadvantage to our sides in the qualifiers through not being up to speed due to lack of competitive games, you simply get rid of the league cup group stage and start the league season in mid July.  

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1 hour ago, Edward said:

The recent embarrassment of Rangers, Hibs, Aberdeen and even Celtic. yes Celtic are in the Group stages but they end up being thrashed.  The Irish Republic realised  that they could not compete with the English Premier League in terms of TV. So they moved their league to summer not only for better pitches but many people watch. They also gained more sponsorships through the media

Scotland now needs to do the same. You are never going to compete with England.  The second reform Scotland has to do is move to a 16 or even 18 club league. An example  the top 8 play for Europe and champions while the bottom 8 play against each other for with four relegation spots. 

Relegation from the Championship exists but only if the winners of the Regional Leagues meet the requirements. 

What an utterly bizarre post which is not joined up in any way

Why would moving the league to a "Summer" league make any difference to this, you state the Republic of Ireland as an example, that will be the Republic of Ireland who had 0 teams playing in the play off round and lost 8 of the 16 games their sides played in Europe this season and who sit 40th out of 54 for this season and will drop further as there are nations with less points who have up to 3 teams in the group stages. Sky will not suddenly pay 3 or 4 times as much as for 2 months there is no other football to show and every 2nd year that time period would be cut to 1 month due to the world cup or the Euros

A 16 or 18 team top league would make things worse, smaller visiting supports and less top head to head games . There is a reason most smaller nations have leagues our size.  

The old firm are never going to agree to any end of season play offs and 4 relegated out of the bottom 8 is never going to be voted in and that's before you work out how many games you want the teams to play to get to this.

There are 54 current active members of UEFA playing for 96 places in the group stage, in the days before the Champions league there would have been 128 teams still in Europe at this stage and no nation would have had up to 8 entrants as it stands this season. In context there is less than 2 places per league in the group stages and with direct entry given to so many from the top leagues everyone else is playing to get through the eye of a needle.

35% of the nations are already all out and a further 25% are down to their last team.

Only 5 leagues have all their entrants in the groups so those who expect every team to make the groups are living on another planet.

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2 hours ago, Edward said:

Relegation from the Championship exists but only if the winners of the Regional Leagues meet the requirements

What is this utter fucking shite?!

No one wants regionalisation under the Championship, or indeed anywhere above where it currently is.

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7 hours ago, Edward said:

The recent embarrassment of Rangers, Hibs, Aberdeen and even Celtic. yes Celtic are in the Group stages but they end up being thrashed.  The Irish Republic realised  that they could not compete with the English Premier League in terms of TV. So they moved their league to summer not only for better pitches but many people watch. They also gained more sponsorships through the media

Scotland now needs to do the same. You are never going to compete with England.  The second reform Scotland has to do is move to a 16 or even 18 club league. An example  the top 8 play for Europe and champions while the bottom 8 play against each other for with four relegation spots. 

Relegation from the Championship exists but only if the winners of the Regional Leagues meet the requirements. 

Utter bollocks.

Piss away off with you ill thought out nonsense.

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7 hours ago, Edward said:

The recent embarrassment of Rangers, Hibs, Aberdeen and even Celtic. yes Celtic are in the Group stages but they end up being thrashed.  The Irish Republic realised  that they could not compete with the English Premier League in terms of TV. So they moved their league to summer not only for better pitches but many people watch. They also gained more sponsorships through the media

Scotland now needs to do the same. You are never going to compete with England.  The second reform Scotland has to do is move to a 16 or even 18 club league. An example  the top 8 play for Europe and champions while the bottom 8 play against each other for with four relegation spots. 

Relegation from the Championship exists but only if the winners of the Regional Leagues meet the requirements. 

The recent embarrassment of ... Celtic??? Yes, I know you immediately put a caveat down that you expect them to be thrashed. I'm usually not one to defend either half of the OF, but you can hardly slate them for their European performances this season when they haven't played a single game yet. And for that matter, summer football wouldn't change a thing for them as by the time they start in the CL, they are far enough in the domestic season anyway for that not to be an excuse.

So far the only clubs that lost a 2 legged tie against a team ranked lower than them were Aberdeen & Rangers, with the latter coming up against a really strong PSV side so other than the scoreline I wouldn't say getting knocked out by them is an embarrassment either. On the other hand, Hearts & Hibs were both unseeded in ECL QR3 and won their ties with good performances. Both simply faced a stronger team in the PO, with Hibs drawing arguably the strongest side in that entire competition so I wouldn't call it an embarrassment from them either, not even with that scoreline.

I'm not against discussions about league restructuring or even summer football, but these are rubbish "arguments".

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